2022/10/21/#kubuntu.txt

[06:52] <guruprasad> I upgraded from Kubuntu 22.04 (running 5.25 via the backports-extra PPA) to 22.10 using the release upgrader today. It was uneventful and everything works fine after the upgrade. Kudos to the Kubuntu team for yet another great release!
[07:02] <user|15> Hi
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[07:03] <user|15> how can I upgrade to 22.10 from an existing 22.04?
[07:06] <user|15> I think in gnome there's an option to select "notice me when any upgrade is available" or sth like that, but I cannot find same functionality on Plasma. Is there a way with the terminal maybe?
[07:15] <guruprasad> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KineticUpgrades/Kubuntu
[07:24] <guruprasad> I noticed that Plasma 5.26 was available in the backports PPA and upgraded to it. Thanks again to the Kubuntu team for awesome work!
[07:34] <IrcsomeBot> <PJtunes> Is there any major advantage to upgrade to the latest release??
[07:47] <guruprasad> New features, bugfixes, and improvements.
[08:36] <bee99add1> add #btrfs
[08:37] <IrcsomeBot> <PJtunes> Nice (re @IrcsomeBot: <guruprasad> New features, bugfixes, and improvements.)
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[09:18] <iomari891> 22.10?
[10:10] <IrcsomeBot> <ksenchy> Just installed the upgrade on 3rd machine and everything is fine. Good work
[10:11] <kksilvery> Thumbs up :)
[12:25] <Guest79> Hi!, would like to know if someone had problems with Nvidia after upgrade from 22.04 to 22.10. I am searching if somebody have the same problem and gathering all the info on my laptop before decide to report
[12:26] <Guest79> by the moment I am uploading all the info here https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/gpu-not-detected-in-kubuntu-22-10/228960/3 (last post)
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:22] <IrcsomeBot> <ksenchy> I had no problems with nvidia after upgrade but I also upgraded from 510 to 515 driver
[14:31] <tomreyn> they left 3 minutes before you wrote this
[14:35] <iomari891> why does kubuntu take so long before before a dist-upgrade can be done?
[14:36] <IrcsomeBot> <ksenchy> RIP
[14:36] <iomari891> it was weeks before I was able to upgrade to 22.04 not it seems like I'll be waiting again.
[14:37] <RikMills> iomari891: it is enabled right now
[14:37] <iomari891> ok, let me try again. thanks
[14:38] <RikMills> also need to make sure this is set: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KineticUpgrades/Kubuntu#Allow_upgrades_to_non_LTS_releases.
[14:38] <iomari891> sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop still telling me "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading"
[14:38] <iomari891> everything is fully updated.
[14:38] <tomreyn> how do you know?
[14:39] <iomari891> because I did "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade -m desktop"
[14:39] <RikMills> could also perhaps be some phased updates confusing it?
[14:40] <iomari891> ok, Ill try to exercise patience
[14:40] <tomreyn> iomari891: were there any warnings in the output of those commands?
[14:40] <RikMills> I did a test upgrade this morning which worked
[14:40] <tomreyn> possibly given as "W:"
[14:41] <iomari891> whats W:?
[14:41] <tomreyn> short for "warning"
[14:41] <iomari891> ok
[15:17] <IrcsomeBot> <milesdredd08> How to update to plasma 5.26
[16:01] <GSMarquis> Do the point releases in LTS version happen once a year?
[16:02] <GSMarquis> Or I guess the question is.." is there a schedule on LTS point updates?
[16:14] <tomreyn> GSMarquis: there is, and it's the same schedule as for new major releases
[16:15] <RikMills> GSMarquis: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
[16:16] <RikMills> 22.04.2 due provisionally on February 9th
[16:47] <GSMarquis> Thanks.
[18:20] <Dydzio> hi, i found bug in kubuntu installer and I am not sure if kubuntu team or KDE team is responsible for this software
[18:28] <arraybolt3> Dydzio: Any bug found in Ubuntu or a flavor thereof (such as Kubuntu) should always be reported to Ubuntu, *never* to upstream developers. We make changes and customziations to upstream software, so they reasonably don't want to support what we do to it. If we discover the bug is in upstream software, we'll report it the way they like it.
[18:29] <arraybolt3> Dydzio: The installer that Kubuntu uses is Ubiquity, so I'd run "ubuntu-bug ubiquity" in a terminal and follow the on-screen instructions to report the bug. You'll be asked to create an Ubuntu One account (or sign in to your existing one).
[18:30] <arraybolt3> Dydzio: Thanks for noticing a bug and wanting to report it! The more bugs we can squish, the better Ubuntu gets! :)
[18:30] <Dydzio> the bug is trivial, the installer crashes when pressing keyboard button :D
[18:30] <Dydzio> anyway i will now try to report it
[18:30] <arraybolt3> If you'd like, you can tell me exactly what's happening and I'll try to reproduce it. That will help it get fixed faster.
[18:31] <arraybolt3> The keyboard button - like there's a button in the installer that looks like a keyboard?
[18:31] <arraybolt3> Or you're pressing a button on your keyboard?
[18:31]  * arraybolt3 boots up a VM and investigates
[18:31] <Dydzio> i got into keyboard layout screen, i set polish and pressed A button on keyboard
[18:31] <Dydzio> installer crashed with message
[18:31] <arraybolt3> Ah. What version of Kubuntu is this? 22.04?
[18:31] <Dydzio> yep
[18:32] <arraybolt3> Nice. Send a link to the bug report when you're done so I can confirm it.
[18:32] <Dydzio> didn't test extensively, wanted to install my first ever linux desktop
[18:32] <arraybolt3> No problem, I can do the extensive testing.
[18:33] <arraybolt3> I help develop Ubuntu, so that's kind of what I do.
[18:33] <Dydzio> actually i set language to polish and then it auto suggested me the layout, i just pressed A on keyboard
[18:33] <arraybolt3> And you pressed A while on the keyboard layout screen, right?
[18:33] <Dydzio> yep
[18:34] <arraybolt3> Nice. I have the installer starting, so this should be easy to verify.
[18:34] <Dydzio> i have bleeding edge hardware sso i wouldn't be surprised if bug doesnt happen
[18:34] <arraybolt3> If you don't have a working Kubuntu installation yet, I can report the bug for you and you can get back to getting your system to work right.
[18:34] <arraybolt3> (I also have very recent hardware.)
[18:34] <Dydzio> i got it working
[18:34] <arraybolt3> Nice.
[18:35] <arraybolt3> OK, did you click "Try Kubuntu" first and then start the installer from there, or did you just click "Install Kubuntu"?
[18:35] <Dydzio> i just clicked install kubuntu
[18:35] <Dydzio> i used linux a bit in the pqst and another bit in VM
[18:35] <Dydzio> in the past*
[18:36] <arraybolt3> Got it! Yes, it does indeed crash the moment you press "A".
[18:37] <arraybolt3> OK, since I can reproduce this, I don't need you to go into a whole ton of detail over how to reproduce it. I can fill in anything that gets missed (like the gobbledygook error message).
[18:38] <Dydzio> are you sure this should look like this
[18:38] <Dydzio> https://imgur.com/a/Rlit8xh
[18:38] <Dydzio> after i type ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[18:38] <arraybolt3> Yes, that's normal.
[18:38] <Dydzio> looks more like prompt for automated crash info send
[18:38] <Dydzio> okay
[18:38] <arraybolt3> (Yes, it looks like an error message, but that is what it looks like.)
[18:39] <arraybolt3> And it does send automated crash info, but it *also* has you describe the bug and all that cool stuff.
[18:39] <arraybolt3> It should launch your browser automatically, and everything should be relatively straightforward from there.
[18:40] <arraybolt3> Also, you don't have to put in a ton of effort looking for duplicate bugs. Unlike other software projects, Ubuntu doesn't mind duplicate bug reports. And two bugs that look identical can actually be different.
[18:41] <arraybolt3> So if you don't get an clear, obvious duplicate result when you enter your bug title, just file it. No need to dig any deeper.
[18:42] <Dydzio> okay, i have 1 more thing to talk about after i am done :p
[18:43] <arraybolt3> No problem, I'll be right here.
[18:45] <Dydzio> I see you are also in ubuntu matrix
[18:45] <arraybolt3> I am!
[18:46] <Dydzio> I described screen flickering problem there, but it's probably related to plasma itself
[18:47] <arraybolt3> Ah, I see you.
[18:47] <Dydzio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1993852
[18:47] -ubottu:#kubuntu- Launchpad bug 1993852 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Pressing 'A' button during keyboard layout screen crashed kubuntu installer" [Undecided, New]
[18:48] <Dydzio> here is the bug you asked for
[18:48] <arraybolt3> Thanks, will confirm.
[18:48] <Dydzio> can you help me witrh one thing
[18:49] <arraybolt3> Yeah, sure.
[18:49] <Dydzio> if you are familiar with Kubuntu, do you know why not all programs appear in system monitor programs page?
[18:49] <Dydzio> for sure snaps do not appear as far as I see, not sure what else
[18:50] <arraybolt3> Yeah, hold one one second.
[18:50] <arraybolt3> You need to select the "Processes" tab on the left side of the screen.
[18:51] <arraybolt3> Then where it says "Show: Own Processes", change that to "Show: All Processes".
[18:52] <Dydzio> yeah, but I mean... 2nd tab with programs that shows actual desktop programs doesn't contain all programs that I have running
[18:53] <Dydzio> they are applications with their own GUI so they should appear
[18:53] <Dydzio> i will make screeshot
[18:54] <Dydzio> https://imgur.com/a/BlGK5hG
[18:54] <Dydzio> firefox and discord are snaps, they dont appear even though they should
[18:54] <Dydzio> to make it user'friendly about running apps
[18:56] <arraybolt3> Oh, OK, I see what you're saying.
[18:57] <arraybolt3> (I was adding info to the bug report, thus my absence for a while)
[18:58] <arraybolt3> This looks like another bug to me, I'll see if I can reproduce it and file that bug, too.
[19:05] <IrcsomeBot> <belluzj> I had an nvidia problem after the update, I was on 470 and after boot I never got to the desktop (stuck on boot messages). But using recovery mode from grub, then the "resume" option got to the desktop successfully (albeit only on one of my two screens) and from there I ran "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall". It switched to 515 and after a reboot it's back to working normally
[19:07] <keithzg[m]> Ah, I remember such problems so well . . . it's why I switched to exclusively using AMD or Intel GPUs hehe
[19:09] <mmikowski> keithzg[m]: Each have their benefits and problems. AMD has less trouble installing, but more trouble after the fact. For example, TensorFlow and PyTorch and others work great with Nvidia with little fiddling and great performance. Last I checked, this was not feasible with AMD. Same thing for Blender acceleration.
[19:11] <keithzg[m]> mmikowski: Yeah I can't say I ever use any of those though. Meanwhile back when I ran NVIDIA it was sometimes a matter of multiple releases where the Plasma desktop wouldn't work right or even load at all, I ran a customized Openbox session for years to work around running an Nvidia card...
[19:12] <keithzg[m]> That GPU acceleration has focused on CUDA and such is unfortunate but orthogonal to whether my desktop loads at all, or if my games are glitchy :)
[19:14] <keithzg[m]> Last I tried it password cracking stuff that was GPU accelerated worked fine on AMD anyways, maybe slower than Nvidia but sadly still easily fast enough for the passwords I was auditing haha
[19:15] <Dydzio> @arraybolt3, should i do anything about that snap "bug"?
[19:15] <mmikowski> keithzg[m]: Depends on what you use your card for. In my business, ML and render acceleration are requirements. As for desktops, I've run Nvidia + KDE for 15 years. It's rarely been trouble. Only recently (last 2 years or so) have AMD drivers looked more compelling for some uses.
[19:16] <arraybolt3> Dydzio: If you'd like to, sure. I'll find the package to report it against.
[19:16] <mmikowski> In any event, my point is, despite occassional installation glitches, NV cards generally work very well once installed, and have for much longer than AMD cards. So valid points for both.
[19:18] <keithzg[m]> mmikowski: My problem is I'm perpetually unlucky. It's what drove me into the arms of Linux in the first place! My PCs are constantly going wrong in terrible obscure ways, and Nvidia's closed-source drivers seemed to optimize the ability for me to both find those problems and then to not be able to work around them. I switched to AMD cards to avoid that, and then ironically haven't had any problems over the past 10 years of them—meanwhile
[19:18] <keithzg[m]> some of the Nvidia cards at work have caused hard crashes or even full system lockups...
[19:19] <Dydzio> my father's PC suffers eternally from the "sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall" syndrome
[19:19] <Dydzio> i decided to go for AMD card no matter what for my new PC
[19:21] <mmikowski> keithzg[m]: No worries, everyone has their own experience. Mine was the opposite - my brother kept buying amd cards that didn't have decent Linux support, and eventually I told him I wouldn't help him unless he switched to Nvidia. After that, everything worked (for him and my father).
[19:21] <keithzg[m]> (I still fondly remember when there was an Nvidia glitch in their drivers that made certain 2D operations blank out portions of the screen on specific GPUs. On Linux it was solvable with an X.org config line that removed the use of some specific rendering feature; a friend of mine running Windows could only downgrade his driver version and wait impatiently for a fix.)
[19:22] <keithzg[m]> mmikowski: GPU drivers are like cellphone carriers: everyone has a favourite based solely on which one has gone horribly wrong the least :D
[19:22] <mmikowski> keithzg[m]: So no worries, and back to work for me :)
[19:26] <Dydzio> @arraybolt3, did you find it?
[19:27] <arraybolt3> Nope, got distracted, sorry...
[19:27] <arraybolt3> ubuntu-bug plasma-systemmonitor
[19:27] <arraybolt3> ^ run that in a terminal
[19:28] <Dydzio> also not sure how software such as polychromatic should be treated
[19:28] <Dydzio> i have razer mouse and that software creates icon in tray, can spawn full config window on demand
[19:29] <Dydzio> idk if technically driver on steroids or desktop application
[19:29] <mmikowski> Dydzio: Is the software similar to Solaar? FWIW, I find that to be excellent, at least with Logitech.
[19:30] <Dydzio> i don't know solaar
[19:30] <mmikowski> Yeah, don't know if it supports razer
[19:31] <Dydzio> after I right-click tray icon i can spawn this window
[19:31] <Dydzio> https://imgur.com/a/tQKP5cp
[19:32] <arraybolt3> I think Solaar only support Logitech, sadly. I use it sometimes (though my Logitech Unifying Receiver is half dead so I don't use it that much).
[19:40] <Dydzio> you managed to confirm this bug?
[19:43] <arraybolt3> Dydzio: I did.
[19:45] <Roey> o
[19:45] <Roey> I get this error when I try do-release-upgrade: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jw9vKzWYmy/
[19:46] <Roey> how do i determien which ppa pkgs to remove?
[19:46] <arraybolt3> Roey: Can you pastebin the contents of /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log and /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log, if they don't contain personal info?
[19:46] <Roey> arraybolt3, lemme see.
[19:46]  * arraybolt3 has to go afk, someone else here may be able to help
[19:47] <Roey> ok
[19:47] <Roey> someone else here: ^ all that
[19:48] <Dydzio> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-systemmonitor/+bug/1993856
[19:48] -ubottu:#kubuntu- Launchpad bug 1993856 in plasma-systemmonitor (Ubuntu) "Some graphical programs (snaps for sure) do not appear on programs list" [Undecided, New]
[19:48] <Dydzio> @arraybolt3, here is bug report for you
[19:49] <alkisg> Roey: this workaround help anotherone here with the same problem, use google translate: https://alkisg.mysch.gr/steki/index.php?topic=7370.0
[19:50] <alkisg> *helped. You're supposed to `sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*` first, then use that workaround and downgrade whatever bad packages exist to their normal repository versions, and then do-release-upgrade should work
[19:50]  * alkisg should spend some time to rewrite that in english...
[20:01] <Roey> alkisg: hmm ok
[20:01] <Roey> UI mean I /have/ installed ppa updates
[20:01] <Roey> just odn't remmeber hwihc ones
[20:01] <alkisg> You don't need to remove them
[20:02] <alkisg> You just need to downgrade the ones that cause problems
[20:02] <Roey> ok
[20:02] <alkisg> That post will use apt itself to resolve the conflicts by downgrading to the official versions
[20:03] <alkisg> apt will even notify you which packages will be downgraded (and possibly removed if some conflict); you can press "no" then and do nothing at all if you wish (but then you won't be able to upgrade)
[20:04] <Roey> alkisg: thank you
[20:04] <alkisg> 👍️
[20:06] <alkisg> Of course, after do-release-upgrade etc, you can re-install any PPAs you like
[20:09] <Roey> ok I removed all the files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, then made the at 50priorities file in /etc/apt/peferences.d/,  then ran apt-get dist-upgrade: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8WjSgh8Zh9/
[20:11] <Roey> alkisg: as you had mentioned, in perfect Greek (me: it's all Greek to me, so I needed google translate), it is "DOWNGRADING" a whole bunch of stuff
[20:12] <alkisg> Roey: that's fine go ahead and press yes
[20:12] <alkisg> Maybe you had installed some KDE PPA
[20:13] <Roey> I did
[20:13] <Roey> yeah
[20:13] <Roey> I was trying to install some ppa with a more advanced version of plasma
[20:15] <Roey> alkisg: hey maybe you would like Takis Shelter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmwb_UBhjl8)
[20:16] <alkisg> After the downgrade is finished, delete the priorities file and run do-release-upgrade
[20:17] <Roey> alkisg: ok
[20:17] <Roey> does this happen with every PPA or ?
[20:17] <Roey> like
[20:17] <Roey> if i installa a PPA after I upgrade to 22.10
[20:17] <alkisg> No only the ones that are too invasive
[20:17] <Roey> then when I upgrade to 23.04, will it give me this kind of issue again?
[20:18] <Roey> ok
[20:18] <alkisg> Takis seems to be picking up stray dogs...
[20:18] <Roey> yes, he has 500+
[20:18] <Roey> he runs a shelter
[20:18] <Roey> for strya dogs
[20:18] <Roey> stray dogs*
[20:18] <Roey> and gets them adopted
[20:18] <alkisg> Hehe, nice
[20:19] <Roey> yeah he's amazing
[20:19] <Roey> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhUw3rgCQzQ
[20:19] <Roey> https://takisshelter.org/
[20:20] <alkisg> See, many Greeks are helpful guys ;)
[20:20] <Roey> "Takis Shelter maintains over 50 fenced areas on 33,000 square meters of private, enclosed olive groves."
[20:20] <Roey> alkisg: :))
[20:20] <Roey> "The dogs and cats are permitted to run free. There are multiple dog houses and small sheds where they can sleep and have privacy. Takis spends time with each new arrival to make sure he places them with the right group of dogs, to prevent fights from breaking out. The dogs are happy and play together well.
[20:20] <Roey> We also have a container home on-site that has been converted to a cat sanctuary."
[20:20] <Roey> well
[20:20] <Roey> I don't want to take this channel too off-topic :)
[20:21] <Roey> https://takisshelter.org/adopt-dogs
[20:39] <mmikowski> hey Roey: Maybe #kubuntu-offtopic? It sounds like others might want to learn more.
[20:41] <Roey> alkisg: thanks, now do-release-upgrade gives me this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3nSpMq5xH4/
[20:41] <Roey> so thank you very much, your advice worked perfectly :)
[20:42] <alkisg> 👍
[21:43] <user|56> what is the kernel version on Kubuntu 22.10?
[21:44] <user|56> anyone knows the version of kernel used on kubuntu 22.10?
[22:04] <GSMarquis> 5.19
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[22:11] <kubifide> hi im getting a couple errors on bootup, dmesg coughs them up, not sure if they are fixable or not. pwm-lpss: can't request region for resource and elants_i2c i2c-ELAN0001:00: nothing at this address
[22:12] <arraybolt3> Does your system boot to a functional desktop and appear to work properly?
[22:13] <kubifide> yea. i figured they weren't anything to worry about if i couldnt fix them
[22:14] <arraybolt3> If your system works normally, you probably can just ignore it.
[22:15] <arraybolt3> Pretty much every single system I've used gives *some* message likes this during boot, and they usually all work, so unless you have a problem in using the system, you can usually ignore such messages.
[22:15] <kubifide> one seems to be related to a touchpad, touchpad works fine, aside from i can't get it to right click (not sure if chromebook thing or what), and the other is power management and it seems to charge fine
[22:16] <kubifide> yea i googled and tried to find a solution and got the gist of what they were about but not a solution heh
[22:16] <kubifide> thanks anyways
[22:16] <kubifide> yea i got a manjaro system that has a bunch of messages at bootup
[22:16] <kubifide> ubuntu is quiet compared
[22:18] <arraybolt3> Heh, most if not all Linux systems spew an incredible amount of data at boot. Ubuntu does hide most of them, but if you press a certain key (can't remember which one, might just be any key) during early bootup, you can see them.
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[22:46] <mmikowski> arraybolt3: press esc at boot :)
[22:48] <arraybolt3> mmikowski: Ah, thanks.
[22:50] <mmikowski> :)
[22:55] <keithzg[m]> kubifide: Re: right-click, I know on my Pixelbook it depends on whether I used the synaptics driver or not (I uhh forget which worked and which didn't though)
[22:57] <keithzg[m]> (Also some weirdly, or perhaps not so weirdly when you consider it all but certainly surprising as a user, behaviour differences in that regard depending on whether using Wayland or X11)