2004/09/21/#launchpad.txt

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[12:43] <lalo> Britney Spears died to save us!
[12:43] <kiko-afk> she died?
[12:53] <lalo> kiko-afk: not really :-P I'm just a bit more excited than would be healthy about a musical I've seen in London
[12:54] <lalo> it's set in the future, and there's a character (male) named Britney Spears, and one of the main characters extracts a very good laugh from the audience when she says the sentence I just typed here
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[04:16] <daf> lalo: any idea how I log into Launchpad?
[04:16] <daf> I mean, what username/password I use
[04:59] <lalo> I didn't even know you needed to :-P
[05:00] <daf> I didn't, until I wanted to look at the API docs
[05:00] <daf> hmmm
[05:00] <daf> getting some strange errors now
[05:00] <daf> I think I'll go to bed and ask Steve when I get up
[05:00] <lalo> me too
[05:00] <lalo> really should try to be here some part of the morning tomorrow :-)
[05:01] <daf> :)
[05:06] <spiv> daf: What are you doing still up? ;)
[05:06] <daf> spiv: working on template upload
[05:06] <daf> spiv: you? :)
[05:08] <spiv> Working on an xml-rpc auth server for plone to talk to.
[05:09] <daf> let me see... it's 23:00 for you?
[05:09] <spiv> I just hit a minor snag that will require confirmation from Steve to continue, though, so now is a good time to go to bed.
[05:09] <spiv> Hah.
[05:09] <spiv> I was on a reasonable approximation of US time while I was there.
[05:09] <daf> oh, you're in London
[05:10] <daf> of course
[05:10] <spiv> Then the silly trip to London kinda threw me, as I didn't really sleep on that plane.
[05:10] <spiv> (Not to mention the fun and games surrounding that particular flight...)
[05:11] <spiv> And then things like TMBG concerts conspire to prevent me having early nights ;)
[05:11] <daf> hehe
[05:11] <spiv> Yeah, in London for a few more hours... :)
[05:11] <daf> how was the concert?
[05:12] <spiv> Pretty good, the Astoria is a nice small venue.
[05:12] <daf> I last saw them at the Astoria in London, which is a bit big but pretty good
[05:13] <spiv> They played a good spectrum of material.
[05:13] <spiv> Well, the most recent concert I'd seen prior to this was Radiohead at the Sydney Entertainment Centre.  They did a good show, but it's hard to feel involved when you're in the back seats of such a huge venue.
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[05:14] <spiv> (It holds about 10000 people, iirc)
[05:16] <spiv> The support act was some wierd long-haired Texan that played the accordion.  They brought him on to play Particle Man with Linnel.
[05:16] <spiv> Linnell, rather.
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[05:16] <daf> did the Johns have the Dans with them?
[05:16] <spiv> They segued into a sort of duelling-accordions thing in the middle :)
[05:17] <daf> :D
[05:17] <spiv> Miller and Weinkauf, but the drummer is Marty someone.
[05:17] <daf> oh, interesting
[05:17] <spiv> (The same drummer as for most of the new album)
[05:17] <daf> did he play the glockenspiel?
[05:18] <spiv> There was no glockenspiel, or shoehorn with teeth!
[05:18] <daf> ah, I guess it was getting a bit routine :)
[05:18] <spiv> I recall hearing they actually gave away the glockspiel at a gig a few months ago.
[05:19] <daf> gosh
[05:19] <spiv> It's not like the synth couldn't be used for it if they really wanted, though...
[05:20] <spiv> But I don't feel let down by the set list -- there was plenty of stuff I'd never heard live before.
[05:21] <spiv> (Actually, I did a quick mental tally and I think they managed to play something from every album)
[05:21] <spiv> They did Violin :)
[05:22] <spiv> And got us to mexican wave during the middle of it.
[05:22] <daf> oh, cool :)
[05:26] <spiv> So... what's *your* excuse for being up this late? :)
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[05:28] <daf> my excuse?
[05:28] <daf> this is just what my sleep patterns are like at the moment
[05:28] <daf> I went to bed at 7am yesterday
[05:29] <daf> I don't think I can do without Steve
[05:29] <daf> and I need to be awake when you turn up tomorrow
[05:29] <daf> so I think I will go to bed
[05:29] <spiv> See you then :)
[05:29] <daf> night :)
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[12:34] <SteveA> daf: ping
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[01:05] <daf> SteveA: pong
[01:05] <SteveA> hi
[01:06] <SteveA> just chatting to scott
[01:06] <SteveA> be with your shortly
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[01:44] <daf> SteveA: I'm planning to go into town this afternoon -- if you need something from me urgently, can you let me know soon?
[01:46] <SteveA> can we chat in 5 mins?
[01:46] <carlos> daf: I need to go to the university now, I will be back this afternoon
[01:46] <carlos> same question for you
[01:46] <carlos> do you need anything from me?
[01:47] <daf> carlos: no
[01:47] <carlos> ok
[01:47] <daf> carlos: do you need anything from me?
[01:47] <carlos> see you later
[01:47] <carlos> daf: I don't think so
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[01:48] <carlos> SteveA: about the password, I will add a comment to the bug report, but I need to know the way we should store them (plain text, crypt, md5...)
[01:48] <carlos> later
[01:48] <SteveA> ok
[01:50] <SteveA> daf: almost done...
[01:58] <SteveA> back
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[04:33] <lalo> I'll have to reboot and be offline for about 15m to do some electrical stuff, but otherwise I'm already up
[04:49] <SteveA> daf?
[05:50] <daf> SteveA: hi
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[06:31] <SteveA> hi daf, hi spiv
[06:45] <SteveA> hi daf
[06:45] <SteveA> Let's check through the rosetta alpha wiki page
[06:46] <daf> ok
[06:46] <SteveA> first, I think we should modify the "Where"
[06:46] <daf> to http://rosetta.ubuntulinux.org?
[06:46] <SteveA> it will be running on the machine "rosetta.warthogs.hbd.com", but we want it to be accessible from the domain "rosetta.ubuntulinux.org"
[06:46] <daf> ok
[06:47] <SteveA> also note that the development server should still be accessible as rosetta.warthogs
[06:47] <SteveA> that is, we'll have two servers and two databases
[06:47] <daf> right
[06:48] <SteveA> carlos wrote a script to insert a user into the database
[06:48] <SteveA> lib/canonical/rosetta/scripts/createuser.py
[06:48] <SteveA> it needs to be extended to prompt for the user's password
[06:49] <SteveA> then to create a digest of it, and put that in the database
[06:49] <daf> is there a bug for that?
[06:49] <SteveA> the library to create the digest is in lib/canonical/lp/placelessauth/encryption.py
[06:49] <SteveA> there is a bug
[06:50] <SteveA> I think I re-opened it today
[06:50] <SteveA> when I noticed the lack of passwords
[06:50] <daf> why are we using a special digest method?
[06:50] <SteveA> what do you mean?
[06:50] <daf> i.e. why are not just using the standard SHA library or something similar?
[06:50] <SteveA> you don't just SHA-1 a password and put that in the database
[06:50] <daf> you don't?
[06:50] <SteveA> that is vulnerable to a simple dictionary attack
[06:51] <SteveA> you need to add some salt
[06:51] <daf> how does that improve security?
[06:52] <SteveA> http://developer.netscape.com/docs/technote/ldap/pass_sha.html
[06:52] <SteveA> you can't use a large set of precomputed digests
[06:52] <SteveA> and quickly check against a digested password
[06:54] <daf> aren't the passwords sent in plaintext anyhow?
[06:54] <SteveA> sent where?
[06:55] <daf> via HTTP
[06:55] <SteveA> shouldn't we be discussing the alpha document?
[06:55] <daf> yes, we should
[06:55] <SteveA> " There will need to be some method arranged for dumping/loading user data."
[06:55] <SteveA> is a bug filed on that?
[06:55] <daf> no, I'll do that
[06:55] <SteveA> thanks
[06:56] <SteveA> are the points under "user-accessible functionality" up to date?
[06:57] <daf> is logging in implemented?
[06:57] <SteveA> yes and no
[06:57] <SteveA> we need to talk about permissions
[06:57] <daf> are there bugs filed for the parts that don't work?
[06:57] <SteveA> good question
[06:58] <daf> I need to go plug myself in
[06:58] <daf> back in a minute
[06:59] <daf> ok, done
[06:59] <SteveA> aaargh
[06:59] <SteveA> I just want to search mozilla for the bugs that are assigned to me
[06:59] <daf> search mozilla?
[07:00] <SteveA> bugzilla
[07:00] <SteveA> I cannot find "assignee" anywhere in the advanced searhc form
[07:01] <daf> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=steve%40z3u.com&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=
[07:01] <daf> that should do it
[07:01] <daf> I think it's using "owner" and "assignee" interchangably
[07:01] <daf> file a bug :)
[07:01] <SteveA> "bugzilla makes my head hurt"
[07:01] <SteveA> critical
[07:01] <daf> Bugzilla URLs make my eyes hurt
[07:02] <daf> it could do a redirect which eliminates redundant query parameters
[07:02] <daf> you could delete most of the parameters from the above URL and get the same result
[07:04] <SteveA> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1947
[07:05] <daf> great
[07:05] <daf> is this alpha-critical?
[07:05] <SteveA> that depends
[07:05] <SteveA> we need to talk about permissions to know that
[07:06] <daf> okay, let's talk about permissions
[07:06] <daf> by the way, did you get my email about the error I got when logging in?
[07:06] <SteveA> nope
[07:06] <SteveA> let's finish going through the alpha doc
[07:07] <SteveA> submittingnew/updated translations?
[07:07] <SteveA> looked like #1913 could possibly be closed
[07:08] <SteveA> what's implemented for "request a new project" ?
[07:08] <SteveA> need a bug for it
[07:08] <daf> we have one
[07:08] <SteveA> add it to the alpha page on the wiki
[07:12] <daf> ok
[07:12] <daf> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1948
[07:13] <SteveA> the " Setting up devel.warthogs.hbd.com alias so that rosetta.warthogs.hbd.com can be used as the alpha." is no longer relevent
[07:14] <SteveA> we'll still be using rosetta.warthogs.hbd.com for development
[07:14] <daf> ok
[07:14] <daf> so it's replaced by "Setting up rosetta.ubuntulinux.org alias"?
[07:15] <SteveA> well, I'd put it as "making the alpha server on the 'rosetta' machine accessible from rosetta.ubuntulinux.org"
[07:17] <daf> okay, I've saved the changes I've made so far
[07:17] <SteveA> looks good
[07:17] <SteveA> how will the testers track bugs in rosetta?
[07:18] <SteveA> email you with "issues" and then those are filed as bugs?
[07:18] <daf> could do
[07:18] <daf> it might be nice to let them use Bugzilla directly
[07:19] <daf> is that feasible?
[07:19] <SteveA> probably not
[07:19] <SteveA> as that bugzilla instance is for all our internal stuff
[07:19] <SteveA> so, let's do the "mail to the rosetta-sounders mailing list"
[07:20] <SteveA> and then one of the team will file bugs based on that
[07:20] <SteveA> sounds ok to you?
[07:21] <daf> hmm, I have misgivings about that way of doing things
[07:22] <daf> or rather, I think having bugs out in the open fosters participation and a sense of community
[07:24] <SteveA> do you have concrete suggestion?
[07:26] <daf> no, I don't
[07:26] <daf> well, we could run yet another Bugzilla for Launchpad testers
[07:27] <SteveA> that doens't sound feasible in time for the alpha
[07:27] <daf> no
[07:27] <daf> or perhaps we could reuse the ubuntu sounders bugzilla
[07:27] <daf> or perhaps we could make do with email until Malone is ready
[07:28] <SteveA> how many rosetta testers do you have lined up?
[07:28] <daf> not very many -- 5-10, I think
[07:28] <SteveA> let's use the mailing list approach for now
[07:28] <daf> ok
[07:28] <SteveA> can you write our intention on the wiki page?
[07:28] <daf> yes
[07:30] <SteveA> has anyone contacted jdub about setting up a mailing list?
[07:30] <daf> done
[07:30] <daf> no, I don't think so
[07:30] <daf> I'll do that now
[07:30] <SteveA> ok
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[07:31] <carlos> hi
[07:31] <SteveA> hi carlos
[07:32] <daf> ok, jdub mailed
[07:33] <daf> hi carlos 
[07:37] <daf> SteveA: is there anything else about the alpha we need to dictuss, do you think?
[07:39] <SteveA> do you have rights to create an additional database on rosetta?
[07:40] <daf> I don't know
[07:40] <daf> I'll try
[07:45] <SteveA> and... ?
[07:45] <daf> hmm it's hanging
[07:46] <SteveA> what is?
[07:47] <daf> the database creation process
[07:47] <carlos> daf: do you have launchpad stopped?
[07:48] <carlos> if there is any process running the make launchpad_test command hangs
[07:48] <carlos> until all connection are closed
[07:48] <daf> launchpad is running
[07:48] <daf> but I was running "createdb foo"
[07:49] <SteveA> can you kill it, and strace?
[07:50] <daf> oh, it's done now
[07:50] <SteveA> oh, ok
[07:50] <SteveA> I wonder why it took so long
[07:50] <daf> it only worked when I killed launchpad
[07:50] <daf> odd
[07:51] <SteveA> I just sent email to you, james, and lulu
[07:51] <SteveA> do you have the proxypass directive that you're using now?
[07:53] <SteveA> elmo: mail loop!
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[07:56] <daf> let's hope that that mail doesn't get into the loop :)
[07:56] <SteveA> does rosetta need to send out mail to anywhere?
[07:57] <daf> yes
[07:57] <daf> well, maybe
[07:57] <daf> passwords need to be mailed to users
[07:57] <carlos> daf: yes, the project request
[07:57] <daf> and they need to be mailed from somewhere
[07:57] <daf> carlos: oh, of course
[07:57] <daf> yes, Rosetta needs to send mail to me
[07:58] <SteveA> can you already send mail from the dev server?
[07:58] <daf> I'll try
[07:58] <SteveA> maybe try 25 on localhost on rosetta
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[07:58] <SteveA> that's the most obvious way to do it from python / zope
[07:59] <daf> yes, it works
[07:59] <SteveA> also, please note on the wiki page that this is how "add a new project" is to be implemented
[07:59] <daf> (the test was "date | mail -s test [email protected]")
[07:59] <SteveA> oh
[07:59] <SteveA> better to try telnet to port 25
[07:59] <daf> why?
[08:00] <SteveA> that's the way we'll be sending mail in general from zope
[08:00] <SteveA> when we need to do it transactionally
[08:00] <daf> oh
[08:00] <SteveA> for the alpha, using mail will do
[08:00] <carlos> I will work this weekend, I was working under my normal hours this week
[08:00] <SteveA> but I'd like to know what can work
[08:00] <daf> the canonical way to do it on unix systems is to invoke /usr/sbin/sendmail -t, I think
[08:00] <ddaa> People, do you think the message on the launchpad mailing list was adequate, or should I have simply proposed a patch which remove the useless fields from the ChangesetFile table?
[08:01] <SteveA> ddaa: I haven't read it yet
[08:02] <daf> I asked on #canonical yesterday and I was advised thusly by mdz
[08:02] <ddaa> Bah. No hurry, my day is almost finished.
[08:02] <SteveA> daf: can you just try ?
[08:03] <SteveA> there is a tension between the canonical way to do it on a unix system and the canonical way to do it with zope
[08:03] <SteveA> we'll have to work out which is the best Canonical way
[08:04] <daf> well, either will probably work for the systems we'll be running Launchpad on
[08:04] <daf> yes, telnetting to port 35 works
[08:04] <daf> er, 25
[08:04] <SteveA> and sends you email?
[08:04] <daf> yes
[08:05] <mdz> daf: hey, i first suggested you use SMTP and you said you wanted sendmail :-P
[08:05] <daf> mdz: sorry, you're right
[08:05] <SteveA> we can use either, but I would prefer to use whatever the transactional email system uses by default
[08:06] <daf> I don't think it makes much difference
[08:07] <daf> if doing it by SMTP works, we can do that
[08:07] <SteveA> so long as both work, I don't need to ask james to make one of them work ;)
[08:07] <daf> :)
[08:08] <daf> ok, any other alpha-related business?
[08:08] <SteveA> we can remove the "?" from after "Bugzilla"
[08:08] <SteveA> and write the URL to the launchpad bugzilla
[08:08] <SteveA> and mention that jdub has been asked to set up a list
[08:09] <SteveA> and " Setting up devel.warthogs.hbd.com alias so that rosetta.warthogs.hbd.com can be used as the alpha." is wrong
[08:10] <SteveA> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1947 can be a link for "logging in"
[08:10] <SteveA> then, I think that's it
[08:11] <daf> done
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[08:12] <SteveA> ok, great.  thanks.
[08:13] <SteveA> I'll be working on my bugs over the weekend.
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[08:14] <lalo> oooh
[08:14] <lalo> our list of bugs is shrinking :-D
[08:15] <daf> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/showdependencygraph.cgi?id=1915 is looking greyer and greyer
[08:15] <daf> carlos: can #1913 be closed now?
[08:16] <carlos> daf: yes
[08:17] <lalo> well, my ritual daily question - before I pick some bugs for myself, is there any bug(s) in particular you'd like me to take a look at?
[08:17] <lalo> oh, and I promised you I'd try to write a document. I suppose I'll do that in the next few hours.
[08:19] <daf> yeah, what I'm looking for is the different states that message sets and sightings have, and the transitions between them
[08:19] <daf> and what things cause those transitions
[08:20] <lalo> ok
[08:20] <lalo> I'll try to include a state diagram in the doc
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[08:22] <daf> I don't require a diagram
[08:22] <daf> and perhaps an ASCII art diagram would be better than a dia one
[08:23] <daf> I suspect the doc would be best kept in arch as an RST file
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[08:23] <lalo> even if you don't require it, I'd rather have one - for the uml-speakers a state diagram is an instant reminder
[08:23] <lalo> ok. yay rst. :-)
[08:24] <daf> carlos: https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1934 -- could we be more specific about what we need limi to do?
[08:33] <carlos> daf: do a global review :-)
[08:33] <daf> okay, can it say that in the bug?
[08:34] <carlos> daf: Alexander Limi should review all rosetta's templates and finish their UI review.
[08:34] <carlos> daf: isn't that enough?
[08:35] <daf> oh, I missed that bug
[08:35] <daf> s/bug/bit/
[08:35] <daf> sorry
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[08:35] <carlos> no problem
[08:40] <carlos> Does python has a password generator?
=== daf gives limi has a couple more bugs
[08:42] <daf> carlos: not that I know of, but we could probably have pwgen installed on the server
[08:43] <carlos> daf: I found some .py to do that, is pwgen better than using the non-standard python class?
[08:43] <carlos> I don't have a preference
[08:43] <carlos> http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/65217
[08:43] <carlos> http://www.zopelabs.com/cookbook/1059673251
[08:44] <daf> pwgen generates passwords which are supposedly easier to remember
=== daf installs "apg" to try that out as well
[08:45] <carlos> daf: I'm an apg user
[08:45] <carlos> it's fine
[08:45] <daf> I suggest we use one of those two
[08:45] <carlos> daf: hey, you only need a 5% more to get cy into GNOME Translation Supported list :-D
[08:45] <carlos> daf: ok
[08:46] <carlos> daf: the apg one gives you the password and a phrase to remember it
[08:46] <carlos> how does pwgen works?
[08:46] <daf> similar to apg, I think
[08:47] <daf> it's a bit less fancy
[08:47] <daf> it generates passwords with different capitalisation and with numbers
[08:47] <daf> but which are supposedly easier to remember than completely random ones
[08:48] <carlos> carlos@Gollum:~$ apg
[08:48] <carlos> Please enter some random data (only first 8 are significant)
[08:48] <carlos> (eg. your old password):>
[08:48] <carlos> inkardOj1 (ink-ard-Oj-ONE)
[08:48] <carlos> DekbitUkIn1 (Dek-bit-Uk-In-ONE)
[08:48] <carlos> duoxAjIv9 (du-ox-Aj-Iv-NINE)
[08:48] <carlos> OkIkott8 (Ok-Ik-ott-EIGHT)
[08:48] <carlos> doydlytGog7 (doyd-lyt-Gog-SEVEN)
[08:48] <daf> pwgen works more like apg -q
[08:48] <carlos> FryidBas8 (Fryid-Bas-EIGHT)
[08:48] <daf> > pwgen
[08:48] <daf> Ahzosae6 Vi7laiqu uer0Hohf gaenei1A Nu4eenei thohY1ai Wengai7y aex5Eeta
[08:48] <daf> ...
[08:49] <carlos> daf: please, decide it you :-P
[08:49] <daf> :)
[08:50] <carlos> daf: are you working on a form to send mail?
[08:50] <daf> not right now
[08:51] <daf> hmm, apg seems to mostly stick numbers on the ends
[08:51] <carlos> daf: I'm thinking on add that feature to the account creation, create the account and then send an email with the password
[08:51] <carlos> with a welcome message and things like that
[08:52] <carlos> daf: not always
[08:52] <carlos> I see number in other places
[08:52] <daf> I think "apt -q -n 1" will do fine
[08:52] <daf> er
[08:52] <daf> s/apt/apg/
[08:53] <carlos> perhaps:  apg -q -n 1 -t is better
[08:54] <daf> yeah
[08:55] <carlos> ok
[08:55] <daf> we need a password-changing mechanism -- I'll file a bug about that
[08:55] <carlos> daf: point it to rosetta/prefs
[08:56] <carlos> I will take care of it
[08:56] <daf> https://bugzilla.warthogs.hbd.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1951
[08:57] <daf> carlos: you can assign it to yourself if you like
[08:57] <carlos> daf: about the welcomed mail, do we have anything that documents the way we will send mail. I know SteveA wants to use direct access to the 25 port
[08:57] <daf> and you might want to move it to Rosetta
[08:57] <carlos> but do we have anything more about it or should I look into a way to do it
[08:57] <carlos> ?
[08:58] <daf> I think you should use the standard smtplib library for now
[08:58] <daf> http://docs.python.org/lib/module-smtplib.html
[08:59] <carlos> ok
[08:59] <daf> it looks fairly easy to use, from the example
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[09:02] <carlos> daf: do we have gettext installed ?
[09:03] <carlos> daf: I think it's not installed
[09:03] <carlos> and we need it to create the .mo files
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[10:27] <daf> carlos: ah, yes, we need it
[10:27] <daf> carlos: can you send a request to the admins?
[10:27] <carlos> daf: I did it already
[10:27] <carlos> daf: and apg is not in warty :-(
[10:27] <daf> oh
[10:27] <daf> isn't it in universe?
[10:28] <kiko> spiv, have a sec?
[10:28] <carlos> daf: yes, but It's not supported
[10:28] <carlos> daf: pwgen is available in warty
[10:29] <carlos> daf: so we should use it instead of apg
[10:29] <carlos> dinner time, see you later
[10:38] <daf> okay, let's use pwgen then
[10:39] <kiko> daf, I fucked rosetta.wh again. :)
[10:39] <daf> kiko: bah :)
[10:39] <daf> kiko: it'll fix itself within 30 minutes
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[10:40] <spiv> kiko: Yeah?
[10:40] <kiko> spiv, I think I sorted it out already, we can fight it out over email
[10:40] <kiko> :)
[10:41] <spiv> Ok :)
[10:45] <daf> kiko: okay, as a special favour, I've restarted it for you :)
[10:46] <kiko> daf, oh no, now I owe you *another* one
[10:48] <daf> you owed me favours already?
[10:48] <daf> I mean yeah, darn right you do!
[10:48] <kiko> well, I just crashed it again..
[10:48] <daf> ok, no biscuits for you
[10:49] <kiko> luckily I had stocked up on them
[10:51] <daf> that reminds me, you need to bring me some Brazilian ones the next time we meet :)
[10:53] <lalo> cookies?
[10:54] <daf> lalo: no, biscuits
[10:54] <daf> the biscuits in Brazil were very nice
[10:54] <lalo> I can't think of such a thing as "Brazilian typical" biscuits
[10:55] <lalo> you mean a specific one you ate here?
[10:55] <daf> well, they were some biscuits we picked up in the shop across the road from where the conference was
[10:55] <daf> we had different varieties
[10:55] <daf> they were all nice
[10:55] <lalo> hmm
[10:56] <lalo> ok, I'll bring some and you hope I happen to pick up the same ones :-)
[10:56] <daf> they probably weren't very special
[10:56] <daf> they were a few real
[10:56] <daf> but I really liked them :)
[10:57] <lalo> yeah, at a convenience store. You can get good biscuits for < R$1 at a supermarket
[11:36] <kiko> spiv, any chance you can fit in some time to fix binary packages?
[11:36] <kiko> spiv, they kill the server and that really annoys me when testing