| [12:06] <jdub> MORNING FREEDOM LOVERS! | |
| [12:07] <pitti> Morning jdbu | |
| [12:07] <pitti> Morning jdub (sorry) | |
| [12:08] <seb128> hey hey jdub :) | |
| [12:08] <lamont> morning pia | |
| [12:08] <lamont> oh. hi jdub | |
| [12:08] <seb128> lol | |
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| [12:11] <jdub> heh | |
| [12:12] <mdz> thom: great, thanks | |
| [12:13] <mdz> lamont: python=y, gnome/gtk=y | |
| [12:13] <mdz> lamont: 'vim' should give you a vim with python scripting | |
| [12:13] <mdz> lamont: 'gvim' should give you the GNOME gui | |
| [12:13] <elmo> heh, mouse emulation on the XServes | |
| [12:13] <mdz> elmo: can't we just give new users a pbbuttonsd.conf which works? | |
| [12:13] <jdub> are we still fighting vim for sanity? | |
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| [12:14] <mdz> jdub: no, I think we're in a comfy spot where we know what needs to be done and lamont is doing it | |
| [12:14] <lamont> mdz: vim-python turns on gui=gtk2, vim-gnome says gui=gnome2... just wondering which one to pick. | |
| [12:14] <mdz> lamont: I assume gnome2 | |
| [12:14] <lamont> ditto | |
| [12:14] <mdz> the one that vim-gnome uses is the right one | |
| [12:14] <npmccallum> mdz: do you have any objection to me changing the Conflicts to a Replaces in ubuntu-sounds (smoother upgrades)? | |
| [12:14] <lamont> you wanna test these before I upload, or just bitch afterwards? | |
| [12:14] <elmo> mdz: we can give them a reasonable default but not a default no one will want to change ever.. *shrug* not a big deal, I know it's late | |
| [12:14] <mdz> npmccallum: yes, conflicts is more appropriate | |
| [12:15] <elmo> mdz: huh? for file overwrites? | |
| [12:15] <pitti> mdz: https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~pitti/utopia/ contains the latest dbus package (including patch needed for latest hal) | |
| [12:15] <jdub> pitti: you saw libhal-storage | |
| [12:15] <mdz> elmo: yes, replaces alone is hardly ever useful | |
| [12:15] <mdz> all sorts of corner cases just break | |
| [12:16] <pitti> mdz: I will provide new hal and other packages tomorrow and announce them on the list | |
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| [12:16] <mdz> and in this case, some not-so-corner ones | |
| [12:16] <pitti> jdub: no, I didn't | |
| [12:16] <elmo> mdz: err, I only know of one corner case, and it's a) very corner (i.e. rare) , b) it's clearly a dpkg bug | |
| [12:16] <elmo> mdz: like what? | |
| [12:16] <jdub> pitti: posted to hal list, kinda interesting | |
| [12:16] <pitti> jdub: thanks for the hint | |
| [12:17] <mdz> elmo: user installs ubuntu-sounds, it clashes with gnome-audio, so they remove gnome-audio, now ubuntu-sounds is fixed, then the user decides they want gnome-audio again and installs it | |
| [12:17] <mdz> *boom* | |
| [12:17] <elmo> err | |
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| [12:17] <mdz> dpkg bug? | |
| [12:17] <elmo> it doesn't clash if you have the Replaces | |
| [12:17] <elmo> next. | |
| [12:17] <elmo> :-P | |
| [12:18] <mdz> elmo: you don't get to change history like that :-P | |
| [12:18] <mdz> the version in the archive an hour ago didn't have either | |
| [12:18] <elmo> err, but we're going to be fixing gnome-audio, right? | |
| [12:18] <mdz> the last time I tried it, if a package replaced some files in another, and then you removed/reinstalled the replaced package, it broke horribly | |
| [12:18] <Mithrandir> Kamion: around? | |
| [12:18] <mdz> elmo: no, they're meant to contain the same files, afaik | |
| [12:18] <mdz> they're alternatives | |
| [12:19] <elmo> then why aren't they using alternatives? :-P | |
| [12:19] <elmo> but anyway, blah | |
| [12:19] <Mithrandir> mdz: 1659, would it be fine just to put it in modules? AFAIK, you can't detect the rtc using hotplug | |
| [12:20] <mdz> Mithrandir: I think that's our only option for warty | |
| [12:20] <Mithrandir> ok, I'll add that comment and reassign to Kamion, then. | |
| [12:21] <lamont> mdz: you want to see the postfix diff? pb is I really need Kamion to drop it into a CD and see what it does... | |
| [12:23] <mdz> lamont: yes | |
| [12:23] <mdz> lamont: don't you have a local mirror? you could make a CD from that | |
| [12:24] <lamont> mdz: don't have the black magic make-me-a-cd scripts (well, not figured out anyway...) | |
| [12:24] <jdub> "fix everything harder" ;-) | |
| [12:24] <lamont> mdz: diff mailed | |
| [12:24] <lamont> mdz: fwiw, I _KNOW_ it's sick and wrong. | |
| [12:24] <npmccallum> mdz: whats your call -- keep conflicts or use replaces or something else? | |
| [12:25] <elmo> npmccallum: just ignore me, it's fine as is | |
| [12:25] <elmo> sorry | |
| [12:26] <mdz> npmccallum: just conflicts is fine | |
| [12:26] <lamont> ok. so how do I test that I got the neato new stuff in my vim? | |
| [12:26] <mdz> Conflicts: kdelibs3 (<< 4:3.0.0), kdelibs3-cups (<< 4:3.0.0), kontour (<< 1:1.3.0) | |
| [12:26] <mdz> er | |
| [12:26] <Mithrandir> is it just for me or is the new firefox completely busted when trying to access bugzilla? | |
| [12:26] <mdz> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1674 | |
| [12:26] <mdz> ^^^ bug resulting from using replaces without conflicts | |
| [12:27] <lamont> mdz: vim test? | |
| [12:28] <Mithrandir> it says (in a new, yellow window) <label value="&serverCertExpired.continue" flex="100%"/> | |
| [12:28] <mdz> lamont: :python ...some stuff... | |
| [12:28] <Mithrandir> I think it doesn't like that bugzilla spits out malformed XML | |
| [12:29] <lamont> mdz: ok, btw, did we want perlinterp turned on too? | |
| [12:30] <mdz> lamont: I don't think so; don't bother with it for now | |
| [12:30] <mdz> python and gnome are what matter | |
| [12:30] <lamont> you want that diff too? | |
| [12:30] <mdz> sure | |
| [12:30] <mdz> I've almost choked down the last one | |
| [12:30] <elmo> james@adare:~$ sudo su - | |
| [12:30] <elmo> fstat: Value too large for defined data type | |
| [12:30] <elmo> cool | |
| [12:31] <Mithrandir> elmo: arch? | |
| [12:31] <lamont> elmo: I told you, ppc is bad. | |
| [12:31] <elmo> Mithrandir: powerpc | |
| [12:31] <Mithrandir> elmo: sounds fun | |
| [12:31] <mdz> lamont: why mv/cp/mv rather than cp/mv | |
| [12:32] <lamont> permissions | |
| [12:32] <mdz> cp -a | |
| [12:32] <lamont> ok | |
| [12:32] <mdz> lamont: what happens to this if the postconf command fails? | |
| [12:32] <mdz> lamont: http://www.vim.org/htmldoc/if_pyth.html | |
| [12:33] <mdz> there's some vim-python stuff to try | |
| [12:33] <jdub> polypaudio *rocks* | |
| [12:33] <npmccallum> anyone around that can put a second set of eyes on the diff for my openoffice source package before I start building it? | |
| [12:33] <mdz> sure | |
| [12:35] <lamont> # newaliases chokes if hostname not set | |
| [12:35] <lamont> if [ -z "$(postconf -h myhostname||true)" ] ; then | |
| [12:35] <lamont> cp -a main.cf main.cf.dpkg.$$ | |
| [12:35] <lamont> postconf -e 'myhostname=ubuntu' | |
| [12:35] <lamont> newaliases | |
| [12:35] <lamont> mv main.cf.dpkg.$$ main.cf | |
| [12:35] <mdz> lamont: is it not possible to say newaliases -o myhostname foo? | |
| [12:35] <lamont> mdz: sadly, no. | |
| [12:35] <elmo> oh, can postfix create /etc/mailname? pwetty pwease | |
| [12:36] <mdz> lamont: I won't say that it looks good, but it's ready to upload :-) | |
| [12:36] <lamont> elmo: it does if it's not already there | |
| [12:36] <npmccallum> http://natemccallum.com:8080/ooo.diff | |
| [12:36] <elmo> lamont: since when? | |
| [12:36] <lamont> since ever | |
| === lamont double checks | |
| [12:39] <elmo> lamont: didn't on the HP machines I installed with warty preview | |
| [12:39] <lamont> elmo: it won't stomp on it if it already exists (unless you changed it), and always creates it if it has a hostname. See aliases.db bug | |
| [12:39] <elmo> aliases.db bug? | |
| [12:40] <lamont> if the hostname does not have at least one '.' in it, then it won't create it. but bitches | |
| [12:40] <lamont> aliases.db doesn't get built if the hostname is empty. warty preview doesn't build aliases.db. | |
| [12:40] <lamont> ergo, hostname is null at the time postinst runs | |
| [12:40] <mdz> npmccallum: looks fairly reasonable, though I'm not intimately familiar with ooo's build system | |
| [12:40] <mdz> npmccallum: did you do a test build and make sure that the patches are applied correctly? | |
| [12:40] <lamont> I suppose I could pre-depend netconfig, and just be done, eh? | |
| [12:42] <lamont> about 97KB more vim cruft. | |
| [12:43] <lamont> and no gvim in the package... sigh | |
| [12:44] <npmccallum> mdz: I wanted someone to look it over before I start building | |
| [12:44] <npmccallum> mdz: Its like a 12 hour build | |
| [12:44] <mdz> npmccallum: set up ccache first :-) | |
| [12:44] <npmccallum> mdz: ccache only helps after the first build :) | |
| [12:45] <mdz> npmccallum: there should be a debian/rules target which applies all the patches, that'd be a good test | |
| [12:46] <npmccallum> mdz: I'm not familiar enough with OOo's build system to do it. I'll build it to make sure, it will pretty much make me AWOL for the rest of the night though :) | |
| [12:47] <npmccallum> mdz: I'll still be around, but not with many free CPU cycles... actually, my disk will be the busy one | |
| [12:49] <mdz> npmccallum: try it with nice -19 | |
| [12:49] <mdz> npmccallum: if it still cripples your machine, then maybe lamont can build it on a buildd for you | |
| [12:51] <npmccallum> mdz: nice -19 debuild ? | |
| [12:51] <mdz> npmccallum: yes | |
| === lamont thinks he understands where all the vim variants come from, but still ponders the base 'vim' package's origin | |
| [12:53] <npmccallum> is there a way to install all build deps at once? | |
| [12:53] <lamont> dpkg-checkbuilddeps | |
| [12:53] <lamont> then cut/paste | |
| [12:53] <mjg59> apt-get build-dep package | |
| [12:54] <lamont> doh | |
| [12:54] <mjg59> hahah | |
| === lamont does that usually | |
| [12:54] <seb128> lol | |
| [12:54] <lamont> otoh, apt-get build-dep uses Sources, and dpkg-checkbuilddeps uses debian/control | |
| [12:54] <jdub> lamont: you been to elmo skool! | |
| [12:54] <lamont> and I've been changing build-deps lately.. | |
| [12:54] <jdub> pants off mjg59 | |
| [12:55] <Mithrandir> I had a nice script that took the output of dpkg-checkbuilddeps and stripped the versions off it. | |
| [12:55] <pitti> night guys! | |
| [12:55] <mjg59> PANTS OFF | |
| [12:55] <mjg59> It's disgraceful. 4 pints of Adnam's Broadside down, and I feel fairly sober. | |
| [12:56] <Mithrandir> mjg59: I should go bother you in Cambridge some day. :) And drink beer. | |
| [12:57] <mjg59> Mithrandir: That would be an excellent thing to do | |
| [12:57] <npmccallum> the ooo build has begun :) | |
| [12:57] <mjg59> There's an obscene amount of beer in Cambridge. More of it needs drinking. | |
| [12:57] <azeem> same goes for Munich currently | |
| [12:59] <Mithrandir> mjg59: I need to magic up a little bit of funds, I think, but I really enjoyed Oxford, so I figured I'll enjoy cambridge even more. :) | |
| [01:00] <mjg59> azeem: But I have to walk less far to Cambridge :) | |
| [01:03] <Mithrandir> why does bugzilla encode my IP or something in the cookie it sends me? | |
| [01:09] <elmo> Mithrandir: what was that file you had me alter on yellow to give you chroot indicatorness | |
| [01:09] <elmo> +? | |
| [01:09] <Mithrandir> /etc/debian_chroot | |
| [01:10] <Mithrandir> (please don't invent a /etc/ubuntu_chroot. :P) | |
| [01:10] <mdz> /etc/chroot would have been sufficient :-P | |
| [01:11] <Mithrandir> mdz: debian_chroot is already in the default bashrcs and such, though | |
| [01:11] <mdz> lamont: did synaptic FTBFS? | |
| [01:11] <mdz> or did it disappear? | |
| [01:12] <elmo> 'unstable' | |
| [01:13] <elmo> ^-- synaptic | |
| [01:18] <mdz> gah | |
| [01:18] <mdz> mvo's fault | |
| [01:18] <jdub> christing puce | |
| [01:18] <jdub> 121 -users mails | |
| === jdub uploads gksu hack | |
| [01:19] <elmo> mdz: can you confirm home.ubuntu.com works for you now, btw? | |
| [01:22] <mdz> elmo: yep | |
| [01:23] <elmo> ok - I'll close the bug since bugzilla isn't we're tracking admin fuckage atm - k? | |
| [01:29] <lamont> mdz: is there an option to apt that'll tell it to just spew the URL's of what it whats to fetch? | |
| [01:29] <Mithrandir> lamont: --print-uris | |
| [01:30] <lamont> Mithrandir: doesn't print uris when used with -s | |
| [01:31] <lamont> of course, without -s.... :) | |
| [01:31] <Mithrandir> lamont: it doesn't do anything anyway, if you use --print-uris, so why bother with -s? | |
| [01:35] <lamont> yeah. that's where I got to. | |
| [01:40] <Kamion> lamont: yo | |
| [01:40] <Kamion> Mithrandir: yo | |
| [01:41] <lamont> Kamion: is there any way I can make sure that postfix's postinst runs _after_ the hostname gets set, and not before? | |
| === lamont is pondering an evil pre-depends... | |
| [01:42] <Mithrandir> Kamion: 1659, ok with you? | |
| [01:42] <Kamion> lamont: it does, or certainly should | |
| [01:42] <Kamion> lamont: I don't think there's anything more I can do ... if it isn't getting set, it isn't getting set | |
| [01:43] <Kamion> lamont: netcfg hooks in before base-installer to set the hostname, which is before any packages get installed | |
| === lamont ponders.. | |
| [01:43] <Mithrandir> Kamion: and if you have any suggestion on 1669, I'd be happy. :) | |
| [01:43] <lamont> actually, if hostname is not an fqdn (contains no '.'s), then all would still make sense | |
| [01:44] <lamont> postfix's config gets run before netcfg, yes? | |
| [01:45] <Kamion> lamont: nope | |
| === lamont hrms some more | |
| [01:45] <Kamion> lamont: nothing of postfix gets run before netcfg sets the hostname, as far as I know | |
| [01:46] <Kamion> Mithrandir: just looking, one sec | |
| [01:46] <lamont> but said hostname does not include a domain, correct? | |
| [01:47] <Kamion> Mithrandir: #1659 fine by me (I'd noticed the bug too), if you're happy to wait 'til I get back from Oldenburg I'll fix it then | |
| [01:47] <Kamion> Mithrandir: #1669, maybe missing discover1-data entries for the USB controller? | |
| === lamont dist-upgrades. sigh | |
| [01:48] <Kamion> lamont: not guaranteed, I don't think ... | |
| [01:48] <lamont> right | |
| [01:48] <lamont> that could just about explain things. | |
| [01:49] <Mithrandir> Kamion: possibly, yes.. I could ask for more info from submitter. | |
| [01:50] <Kamion> Mithrandir: ask for lspci and lspci -n output, that's the standard | |
| [01:50] <Kamion> Mithrandir: if they don't have a Linux installation on the same machine, the output of 'cut -f1,2 /proc/bus/pci/devices' on tty2 in the installer is generally transcribable with only a moderate amount of patience | |
| [01:51] <Mithrandir> seems like he got warty working, so | |
| [02:02] <lamont> vim happiness. mdz: you wanna see it first? | |
| [02:03] <lamont> but first a reboot to make the machine state sane. brbn | |
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| [02:07] <mdz> lamont: sure | |
| [02:07] <mdz> I'll give it a whirl | |
| [02:08] <Mithrandir> lamont: is mozilla-firefox in the queue on amd64? | |
| [02:09] <mdz> elmo: what's the right way for me to sponsor warty uploads so that somebody besides you gets the accept/reject messages? | |
| [02:09] <mdz> elmo: buildpackage -m? | |
| === lamont uploads postfix | |
| [02:09] <Mithrandir> lamont: ignore me | |
| [02:10] <lamont> Mithrandir: ok | |
| [02:10] <lamont> mdz: you want a diff, or a couple .debs? | |
| [02:11] <lamont> or both? | |
| [02:11] <mdz> lamont: diff is fine | |
| [02:11] <mdz> debs are nice too | |
| [02:11] <Kamion> damnit, somebody needs to port valgrind to powerpc | |
| [02:12] <Mithrandir> Kamion: and to amd64. | |
| [02:12] <Kamion> forget about bounties from Mark, *I'd* pay money for a valgrind/powerpc port | |
| [02:12] <Kamion> Mithrandir: at least on amd64 you can probably run it in 32-bit mode | |
| [02:12] <lamont> 4 files, 4595 bytes of diff | |
| [02:12] <Kamion> qemu valgrind doesn't appeal | |
| [02:12] <jdub> haha | |
| [02:12] <jdub> mmmmm! | |
| [02:12] <jdub> that'd rock | |
| [02:12] <lamont> mdz: diff sent,building final and clean .debs now | |
| [02:14] <jdub> is there a thingy | |
| [02:14] <jdub> to check that every file under debian/tmp is in a package? | |
| [02:14] <jdub> just as a handyhelpertool | |
| [02:14] <Mithrandir> jdub: dh_install with --fail-missing? | |
| [02:15] <Mithrandir> Kamion: doesn't catch sizeof(int) != sizeof(void*) errors, which are by far the most common on amd64 | |
| [02:15] <jdub> Mithrandir: does that make sense with a multibinary package? | |
| [02:15] <lamont> mdz: 15 minute avg build time.. | |
| [02:16] <Mithrandir> jdub: I'd say so, yes. Read the documentation for it? | |
| [02:16] <jdub> ok | |
| [02:18] <Kamion> Mithrandir: troo | |
| [02:18] <mdz> lamont: diff looks pretty clean | |
| [02:19] <lamont> yeah, just renamed vim-tiny to vim-ubuntu... we _could_ deliver a vim-tiny package, but I'm not inclined to... | |
| [02:19] <lamont> (vim-tiny went away, it seems, because vim _IS_ vim-tiny...) | |
| [02:19] <mdz> yeah, we have vim in base | |
| [02:19] <mdz> lamont: as long as you're there, mind taking a look at the icon issue? | |
| [02:19] <lamont> yeah, and it grew by something like 97KB. | |
| [02:19] <lamont> bug #? | |
| [02:20] <mdz> looking | |
| [02:21] <lamont> mdz: I can't reproduce 1559 at all. | |
| [02:21] <mdz> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1639 | |
| [02:21] <mdz> lamont: the .desktop references gvim.png, which doesn't seem to exist anywhere | |
| [02:21] <mdz> maybe it used to be shipped with gnome or something? | |
| [02:22] <jdub> hrm, crap | |
| [02:22] <jdub> that's totally bong on multibinary | |
| [02:22] <mdz> lamont: odd, it's behaving now | |
| [02:22] <mdz> jdub: only if you call dh_install multiple times | |
| [02:22] <mdz> it should work fine if you call it just once | |
| [02:22] <lamont> hrm.. given kvim and vim*.png, I'd expect that gvim.png was a foot with the Vim logo superimposed. | |
| [02:23] <jdub> cdbs ;) | |
| [02:23] <lamont> mdz: in order to reproduce the bug with -8, I had to reboot... and again for -9 to make it go away... | |
| [02:23] <lamont> not sure how init is stashing the vnode, but it appears to be... | |
| [02:23] <mdz> lamont: I don't think I had upgraded it since rebooting, but I suppose I could be on crack | |
| [02:24] <mdz> jdub: do you know of a gnome vim icon we can use? | |
| [02:24] <mdz> jdub: (#1639) | |
| [02:24] <lamont> gvim: should we just reference vim.png, or should we make jdub/seb give us a new one? | |
| [02:24] <mdz> though, a .desktop entry for gvim is a bit silly | |
| [02:24] <lamont> remind me again why lapack3 is in main??? | |
| [02:25] <lamont> we could just make that go away... | |
| [02:25] <mdz> lamont: python-numeric :-( | |
| [02:25] <lamont> after all my work to get it there... | |
| [02:25] <jdub> do we have to have a .desktop file for gvim? | |
| [02:25] <jdub> i guess it helps with mimetypes registration | |
| [02:25] <mdz> yes | |
| [02:25] <jdub> but a menu item is bong | |
| [02:26] <lamont> /usr/share/applications/gvim.desktop | |
| [02:26] <mdz> Categories=Application;Utility;TextEditor; | |
| [02:26] <jdub> mdz: (is this for mimetypes, or...?) | |
| [02:26] <mdz> it's not localised or anything | |
| [02:26] <lamont> [Desktop Entry] | |
| [02:26] <lamont> Encoding=UTF-8 | |
| [02:26] <lamont> Name=Vim | |
| [02:26] <lamont> Comment=Vim Text Editor | |
| [02:26] <lamont> Exec=gvim | |
| [02:26] <lamont> Icon=gvim.png | |
| [02:26] <lamont> Terminal=false | |
| [02:26] <mdz> jdub: pasted you the whole thing in /msg | |
| [02:26] <lamont> Type=Application | |
| [02:26] <mdz> in order to avoid SPAMMING THE CHANNEL | |
| [02:26] <lamont> Categories=Application;Utility;TextEditor; | |
| [02:26] <lamont> StartupNotify=true | |
| [02:26] <lamont> jdub: just tell me what to make it say... | |
| [02:26] <lamont> oops | |
| [02:27] <mdz> ;-) | |
| [02:27] <jdub> well, answer my questions first! | |
| === jdub challenges! | |
| [02:27] <jdub> so that doesn't have mime stuff in it -> why do we need a .desktop file at all? | |
| [02:27] <lamont> uh, what's the question?? :=) | |
| [02:27] <lamont> jdub: exactly. | |
| [02:27] <lamont> we have one, should we kill it? | |
| [02:27] <jdub> you can stop being zen now | |
| [02:27] <jdub> ;) | |
| [02:28] <jdub> i don't think there's any point installing it | |
| [02:28] <lamont> gone. | |
| [02:28] <jdub> cool | |
| [02:28] <jdub> (mdz must've been saying yes to something else, then - that's what confused me.) | |
| [02:29] <lamont> prolly | |
| [02:29] <jdub> lkcl is on so much crack | |
| [02:29] <lamont> who wants to review vim.menu? | |
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| === lamont is menu clueless, you see.. | |
| [02:30] <sidney> hey, i have a question | |
| [02:31] <sidney> has anybody sucessfully built ndiswrapper? | |
| [02:31] <sidney> ...with the standard ubuntu kernel that is | |
| [02:33] <mdz> jdub: I thought you were asking "do we have a .desktop file for vim?" | |
| [02:33] <mdz> I do not think we need one | |
| [02:34] <lamont> I left the .desktop file in vim-gnome, but fixed the png reference. vim doesn't get one | |
| [02:44] <mdz> elmo: regarding #1677, is auckland running exec-shield? :-P | |
| [02:45] <lamont> mdz: anything else before I upload vim? | |
| [02:45] <mdz> sidney: this channel is for development discussion; for questions and other discussion, please use #ubuntu | |
| [02:46] <mdz> lamont: nope, if it works for you, ship it | |
| [02:46] <mdz> lamont: go ahead and kick any remaining vim-* variants out of the seeds once it's in | |
| [02:46] <mdz> I think only vim-gnome remains | |
| [02:47] <mdz> hmm, maybe not | |
| [02:47] <mdz> I think they're all in universe already | |
| [02:47] <mdz> we should really just kill them | |
| [02:47] <mdz> they're evil and broken and when people install them they get broken diversions | |
| [02:47] <mdz> let's see how this goes first | |
| [02:52] <lamont> btw, what's broken with the diversions? | |
| [02:52] <mdz> jdub: what do you think we should do about the CD-RW/nautilus-cd-burner/pmount situation? | |
| [02:52] <jdub> mdz: it's actively being worked on upstream | |
| [02:53] <mdz> lamont: apt-get install vim; apt-get install vim-gnome; apt-get remove vim-gnome and you no longer have /usr/bin/vim | |
| [02:53] <lamont> sigh | |
| [02:53] <mdz> jdub: I know, but a new dbus+hal scares the shit out of me | |
| [02:53] <mdz> considering pitti said the last version didn't work at all for him | |
| [02:53] <jdub> mdz: we're just in a rough spot (a little bit) because we're doing things slightly differently | |
| [02:53] <jdub> mdz: yeah, but consider that both Novell and Red Hat are actively working on this for their upcoming releases | |
| [02:53] <jdub> mdz: might be worth tracking rawhide packages | |
| [02:53] <jdub> to see what they're doing | |
| [02:53] <npmccallum> mdz: If I remember correctly it was just his usbkey that didn't work | |
| [02:54] <npmccallum> mdz: everything else worked (I think...) | |
| [02:54] <mdz> npmccallum: hmm, ok, he sounded much more concerned in bugzilla | |
| [02:54] <npmccallum> mdz: I could be wrong | |
| [02:54] <mdz> it would certainly suck to have to bail on the automounting magic because of this | |
| [02:55] <npmccallum> mdz: we'll just make sure we test the new packages before we make a decision | |
| [02:55] <npmccallum> mdz: I for one am not going to blindly take a new version | |
| [02:55] <mdz> npmccallum: agreed | |
| [02:55] <mdz> we can't test on behalf of all of the users who will be affected by it, though | |
| [02:56] <npmccallum> thats true, but there is no garuntee that many of the users that come after the preview will work with the current version | |
| [02:56] <npmccallum> and there is a bad known bug now... | |
| [02:57] <lamont> mdz: all well here, gonna upload unless you scream. | |
| [02:57] <mdz> lamont: ok | |
| [02:58] <lamont> 1037432->1394296 bytes. | |
| [02:58] <lamont> mousenuts | |
| [02:58] <lamont> mdz: you're running 2.6.8.1, yes? | |
| [03:01] <mdz> lamont: not right now :-/ | |
| [03:02] <mdz> lamont: see #1632 | |
| [03:02] <mdz> 2.6.8.1 doesn't boot for me on this machine | |
| [03:06] <lamont> so 2.6.7 then | |
| [03:06] <lamont> > | |
| [03:07] <lamont> 1596 is the "just keep retrying it, that happens on powerpc' bug... | |
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| [03:08] <lamont> (" terminated by signal 4","give\n"), | |
| [03:08] <lamont> literally. | |
| [03:08] <lamont> mdz: so how should I handle that one?? | |
| [03:08] <lamont> it certainly affects us, but I've specifically been told that 'powerpc's just do that sometimes, it's perfectly normal'... | |
| [03:15] <elmo> mdz: yes, but so is newsamosa | |
| [03:16] <elmo> and saens | |
| [03:25] <elmo> oh, not with apache2 tho.. hmm, blah. okay, I've taken it off, we'll see if that clears it up | |
| [03:31] <elmo> 476345 /var/log/apache2/archive.ubuntulinux.org.error-log | |
| [03:31] <elmo> god damn it | |
| [03:45] <lamont> mdz: want me to upload 1666? | |
| [03:45] <lamont> one char change in configure. | |
| [03:46] <lamont> although I suppose just re-running autoconf would fix it too. -but the diff would be much bigger.. :-) | |
| [03:46] <lamont> - VERSION=1.0.4 | |
| [03:46] <lamont> + VERSION=1.0.5 | |
| [03:46] <lamont> reflecting the change that's already in configure.in | |
| [03:48] <elmo> mdz: it's not exec-shield :-P | |
| [03:59] <lamont> root 4067 0.0 0.1 1492 468 tty1 Ss+ 19:38 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3 | |
| [03:59] <lamont> root 4104 0.0 0.1 1492 456 ? Ss 19:38 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 | |
| [03:59] <lamont> hrm. oops. | |
| === lamont hates race conditions... | |
| [03:59] <lamont> now to identify where it is. | |
| [03:59] <mdz> lamont: has the machine ever hung? | |
| [03:59] <mdz> lamont: or is it only a problem in userland? | |
| [04:00] <lamont> purely userland, and tty assignment | |
| [04:00] <mdz> lamont: 1666, does it actually break anything? | |
| [04:00] <mdz> I'm not sure why that was made RC in Debian | |
| [04:00] <lamont> oh, 1666, dunno. | |
| [04:00] <mdz> lamont: I mean the powerpc thing, has the buildd ever crashed? | |
| [04:01] <mdz> or does it only randomly crash programs? | |
| [04:01] <mdz> no kernel panics? | |
| [04:01] <lamont> any app that builds against version.h and varies things based on 1.0.4 vs 1.0.5 is screwed. | |
| [04:01] <mdz> lamont: patch to configure is fine | |
| [04:01] <lamont> mdz: no kernel panics, just dead user processes. Always SIGILL | |
| [04:02] <lamont> mdz: alsa-lib uploaded | |
| [04:03] <lamont> mdz: seems to only crash dh_install and such - don't have a ppc, so I only see it in the buildd's | |
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| [04:03] <mdz> lamont: has it ever happened on a Debian buildd? | |
| [04:04] <lamont> dunno.. don't run ppc buildd there | |
| [04:04] <lamont> but elmo was very familiar with it... | |
| [04:05] <mdz> googled on it? | |
| [04:05] <mdz> http://lists.exploits.org/slackintosh-users/Aug2002/00001.html sounds vaguely similar | |
| [04:06] <mdz> lamont: is it using a CONFIG_HIGHMEM kernel? | |
| [04:06] <mdz> google(linux powerpc random sigill) turns up a message about config_highmem being a possible culprit | |
| [04:07] <lamont> CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y | |
| [04:07] <lamont> CONFIG_HIGHMEM_START=0xfe000000 | |
| [04:10] <mdz> could try turning that off, for giggles | |
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| [06:29] <fabbione> morning guys | |
| [06:30] <daniels> fabbione: 'morning | |
| [06:30] <fabbione> today is a good morning | |
| [06:30] <fabbione> it's friday | |
| [06:30] <fabbione> ;) | |
| === lamont finishes a long discussion with neuro, turns off neuro's gdm-helper code in getty, restoring the old bug. | |
| [06:34] <lamont> damn inadequate kernel API's anyway | |
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| [06:38] <fabbione> who forgot to upload enigmamail? | |
| [06:38] <fabbione> oh thombot | |
| [06:39] <daniels> fabbione: heh | |
| [06:40] <fabbione> Errors were encountered while processing: | |
| [06:40] <fabbione> /mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vim/vim-common_6.2-532+4ubuntu2_all.deb | |
| [06:40] <fabbione> /mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vim/vim_6.2-532+4ubuntu2_i386.deb | |
| [06:40] <fabbione> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | |
| [06:40] <fabbione> ehi guys... | |
| [06:40] <fabbione> is there a bug open for it already? | |
| [06:53] <lamont> fabbione: what's the errors... | |
| [06:53] <fabbione> lamont: dpkg: error processing /mirrors/ubuntu/pool/main/v/vim/vim_6.2-532+4ubuntu2_i386.deb (--unpack): | |
| [06:53] <fabbione> trying to overwrite `/etc/vim/gvimrc', which is also in package vim-python | |
| [06:53] <lamont> GAH!!! | |
| === lamont fixes | |
| [06:54] <lamont> apt-get remove vim-python | |
| [06:55] <lamont> mdz: so can I just kill the vim-* packages??? huh? huh? can I? prettttyyyy pleaaaaaasssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeee? | |
| [06:56] <mdz> lamont: care to take a look in sid and see how they fixed it? maybe it's trivial | |
| [06:57] <lamont> mdz: that particualr one is because I added gvimrc to the files delivered by vim. I could just stop delivering that file again... | |
| [06:57] <lamont> +debian/runtime/gvimrc etc/vim | |
| [06:57] <lamont> +etc/vim/gvimrc usr/share/vim/gvimrc | |
| === lamont uploads util-linux_2.12-7ubuntu5_source.changes | |
| [07:02] <lamont> no similar change in sid | |
| [07:03] <lamont> mdz: I think we want to keep delivering those files, so it's just a matter of freshening the versions on the conflicts/replaces lines, yes? | |
| [07:07] <fabbione> mdz: 1637 | |
| [07:08] <fabbione> mdz: i really don't know anything about ldap/slapd and so on.. do you really want me to fix it? I can do it.. it will just take longer time | |
| [07:15] <lamont> mdz: looking at 834, we need to add a dpkg-divert --remove to preinst, and then just drop the other packages completely? | |
| [07:19] <lamont> fabbione: btw, vim is #834. :( | |
| [07:19] <fabbione> ah | |
| === lamont falls over. | |
| [07:44] <lamont> night all | |
| [07:45] <fabbione> night lamont | |
| [07:57] <daniels> lamont: night dude | |
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| [08:48] <pitti> Moin moin | |
| [08:51] <fabbione> jdub, mdz: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~fabbione/1637.diff | |
| [08:51] <fabbione> permission to upload openldap2 with that fix for that bug | |
| [09:09] <Mithrandir> Kamion: The lspci output for the usb cdrom-does-not-work-with-d-i is now at https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1669 | |
| [09:17] <mdz> fabbione: looks good, go ahead | |
| [09:18] <fabbione> mdz: ok. | |
| [09:18] <mdz> lamont: I meant the bit where it doesn't remove the diversions properly | |
| [09:18] <fabbione> mdz: permission to upload mozilla for 1682 and change again the default of dsp to auto (can't remember the bug number) | |
| [09:19] <fabbione> mdz: each time we sync we MUST be sure that all the changes we did across the time are reintroduced too | |
| [09:22] <Mithrandir> Kamion: actually: | |
| [09:22] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@dessverre ..64-generic/kernel/drivers > find -name \*hid\* | |
| [09:22] <Mithrandir> : tfheen@dessverre ..64-generic/kernel/drivers > | |
| [09:22] <fabbione> mdz: sorry i don't have a diff handy but it's basically s/1.7.2/1.7.3 in the menu files | |
| [09:22] <Mithrandir> Kamion: so it seems like the hid and usbhid modules are missing from the initrd and that's the problem, not that discover1-data fucks up | |
| [09:23] <mdz> fabbione: yes, that is the responsibility of the person requesting the sync | |
| [09:23] <mdz> in fact it should be written as part of the request | |
| [09:23] <fabbione> mdz: ok.. can i upload? | |
| [09:24] <mdz> fabbione: yes | |
| [09:24] <fabbione> goody | |
| [09:40] <Kamion> Mithrandir: hm, usbhid isn't in linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6 input-modules | |
| [09:40] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I was just typing that. | |
| [09:41] <Mithrandir> the input-modules should has a -drivers/usb/input/hid.o, it should have a drivers/usb/input/usbhid.o | |
| [09:41] <Kamion> Mithrandir: surprised hid isn't there, though | |
| [09:41] <Mithrandir> there's no hid module at all any more, it seems | |
| [09:41] <Kamion> Mithrandir: is it missing from the kernel? actually I thought it got renamed | |
| [09:41] <Kamion> ./i386/input-modules:2:-drivers/usb/input/usbhid.o | |
| [09:41] <Kamion> should probably match that | |
| [09:42] <Mithrandir> what does -$foo mean? | |
| [09:42] <Kamion> optional | |
| [09:42] <Mithrandir> ok | |
| [09:42] <Kamion> i386 is: | |
| [09:42] <Kamion> -drivers/usb/input/hid.o | |
| [09:42] <Kamion> -drivers/usb/input/usbhid.o | |
| [09:42] <Kamion> drivers/usb/input/usbkbd.o | |
| [09:42] <Kamion> is usbkbd not sufficient then? | |
| [09:43] <Kamion> ah, hid -> usbhid in 2.6.6 | |
| [09:43] <Kamion> yeah, ok, you need usbhid | |
| [09:43] <Mithrandir> yeah, and usbhid is missing in the amd64 file | |
| [09:43] <fabbione> hmmm status is not too bad | |
| [09:43] <Mithrandir> care to add and get permission to upload and such? | |
| [09:43] <fabbione> 3 critical and 55 maj bugs | |
| [09:47] <Mithrandir> Kamion: can I reassign the bug to you and you'll handle it further? | |
| [09:47] <Kamion> Mithrandir: go ahead | |
| [09:48] <daniels> mdz: http://people.ubuntu.com/~daniels/gimp-2.0/ | |
| [09:48] <daniels> mdz: user install dialog-less gimp | |
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| [09:53] <daniels> mdz: is this still warty, or hoary? | |
| [09:53] <daniels> mdz: given the freeze and all | |
| [09:55] <mdz> daniels: depends on how invasive it is | |
| [09:55] <daniels> mdz: a few ifdefs; want an interdiff? | |
| [09:55] <daniels> mdz: i could create a test image just fine with what looked like exactly the right defaults after using it | |
| [09:56] <daniels> (using it ... to create my ~/.gimp-2.0) | |
| [09:56] <mdz> confuses the hell out of interdiff | |
| [09:57] <Kamion> mdz: enormous amounts of stuff seem to have just moved into base | |
| [09:57] <Kamion> or is my germinate just confused? | |
| [09:58] <mdz> Kamion: I haven't added anything to base since ubuntu-base | |
| [09:58] <mdz> (which has no deps) | |
| [09:58] <fabbione> mdz: we need to sync enigmail | |
| [09:58] <fabbione> mdz: i am checking if it builds and works in ubuntu | |
| [09:58] <fabbione> mdz: due to the new mozilla-thunderbird package | |
| [09:59] <mdz> ok | |
| [09:59] <jdub> pitti: around? | |
| [09:59] <pitti> jdub: yes | |
| [09:59] <jdub> pitti: did you end up figuring out the gnome-vfs isues with desktop/disks? | |
| [09:59] <jdub> i'm not seeing icons in either atm | |
| === jdub hasn't upgraded for quite a few hours though ;) | |
| [10:00] <pitti> jdub: yesterday's package should give icons on the desktop for USB and cdrom devices | |
| [10:00] <pitti> jdub: version 2.8.1-0ubuntu2 | |
| [10:00] <jdub> hmm | |
| [10:01] <pitti> jdub: However, I did not manage to get the icons appear in "Disks" | |
| [10:01] <jdub> that's what i have | |
| [10:01] <jdub> oh | |
| [10:01] <jdub> i wonder if the one on this cd will be better... | |
| [10:01] <pitti> jdub: I tried all the day, but then sabdfl and I agreed to postpone that | |
| [10:01] <jdub> oh | |
| [10:01] <pitti> jdub: the new upstream version of gvfs does not play well with my old approach of "faking" fstab entries | |
| [10:02] <pitti> jdub: gvfs only shows fstab entries in "disks", so I emulated them in earlier versions | |
| [10:02] <jdub> oh | |
| [10:02] <pitti> jdub: now I go on with packaging the crack-of-the-day utopia stack, if that is finished, I can return to "disks" | |
| [10:03] <jdub> ok | |
| [10:03] <jdub> ta | |
| === jdub is just doing a demo in an hour or so | |
| [10:03] <jdub> hoping i can show those off without a hitch :) | |
| [10:03] <pitti> jdub: oh, if you do want to show icons in "devices", prepare a fstab entry for an USB stick :-) | |
| [10:03] <pitti> jdub: (okay, that's cheating) | |
| [10:03] <jdub> ;) | |
| [10:04] <daniels> mdz: new one which makes interdiff far less confused | |
| [10:12] <mdz> daniels: looks pretty safe to me | |
| [10:12] <daniels> mdz: rad, ta. | |
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| [10:23] <fabbione> mdz: you got mail :-) | |
| [10:24] <mdz> I always do... | |
| [10:26] <fabbione> well... today you are lucky | |
| [10:26] <fabbione> you got one more from me :P | |
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| [10:39] <seb128> morning | |
| [10:40] <pitti> Hi seb128! | |
| [10:40] <seb128> hello pitti | |
| [10:42] <fabbione> seb128: ehm | |
| [10:42] <fabbione> do you realize that totem starts | |
| [10:43] <fabbione> but there is no sound or video? ;) | |
| [10:44] <seb128> this part of the bug is a dup | |
| [10:44] <seb128> and the second part crashs X | |
| [10:44] <seb128> so I've reassigned for the crash :) | |
| [10:45] <fabbione> ok ok ;) | |
| [10:45] <fabbione> you are safe for today :P | |
| [10:45] <seb128> pfiou :) | |
| [10:46] <fabbione> also another important thing for everybody | |
| [10:46] <fabbione> X bugs are almost never major or critical | |
| [10:46] <fabbione> until they affect more than 1 user | |
| [10:47] <fabbione> the fact that X crash on one machine can easily be: | |
| [10:47] <fabbione> a) hardware problems | |
| [10:47] <fabbione> b) user problems | |
| [10:47] <fabbione> c) crappy hardware | |
| [10:47] <fabbione> d) cheap hardware | |
| [10:49] <daniels> e) crappy code | |
| [10:53] <seb128> fabbione: you said that for the bug I've reassigned ? I've not even looked on the severity | |
| [10:53] <fabbione> seb128: just generally | |
| [10:54] <seb128> ok | |
| [10:54] <fabbione> i am raedy to bet that the submitter will not even reply | |
| [10:57] <seb128> I want a NEEDINFO status :) | |
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| [11:14] <fabbione> seb128: can you comment on 1390? | |
| [11:16] <seb128> ok | |
| [11:21] <seb128> fabbione: "The patch is an update of the FAQ, but yes. it's included." <- there is an another patch after that | |
| [11:21] <seb128> no ? | |
| === seb128 checks | |
| [11:21] <fabbione> seb128: nope.. | |
| [11:21] <fabbione> the problem is in nautilus/gnome/whatever application | |
| [11:21] <seb128> "Here is a patch so that GNOME (and maybe other?) keyboard switchers do | |
| [11:21] <seb128> not call erroneous altwin:meta_super and altwin:meta_hyper options. | |
| [11:21] <seb128> Can I commit it?" | |
| [11:21] <seb128> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=259740&msg=78 | |
| [11:24] <fabbione> seb128: that patch hasn't been included in Debian either | |
| [11:24] <seb128> I know | |
| [11:24] <seb128> but according to Denis it fixes the problem, right ? | |
| [11:24] <seb128> It's tagged pending in debian | |
| [11:26] <fabbione> seb128: he didn't mention that patch in our reports | |
| [11:27] <seb128> I mentionned it to raise the issue ... | |
| [11:27] <seb128> perhaps we could ping him about it ? | |
| [11:27] <seb128> I'll mail him | |
| [11:27] <seb128> he's looking on this problem for 2 weeks, he made some reassing against metacity and back to xfree in debian | |
| [11:28] <seb128> and mailed me about that last week | |
| [11:28] <fabbione> ok | |
| [11:32] <fabbione> who has a ppc can kindly take a look to #1690? | |
| [11:32] <mdz> I think a powerbook is necessary | |
| [11:34] <fabbione> mdz: how would you feel to ask that question on ppc? | |
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| [11:38] <rburton> jdub: ping? | |
| [11:52] <rburton> any chance of a newer HAL in ubuntu? | |
| [11:53] <rburton> if 0.2.98 is included then Sound Juicer with HAL can be used | |
| [11:53] <rburton> which seb128 would love | |
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| [11:53] <seb128> rburton: what's specific about 0.2.98 ? | |
| [11:53] <fabbione> seb128: actually... the patch is not committed, and branden did mark the bug pending due to the addition to FAQ | |
| [11:54] <rburton> seb128: i'm not entirely sure | |
| [11:54] <seb128> rburton: we are speaking about new hal for 2 days because of the lock stuff in n-c-b | |
| [11:54] <rburton> seb128: i've a HAL patch from colin walters which deps on hal > ...98 | |
| [11:54] <seb128> rburton: pitti is working on it, that's the guy to ping :) | |
| [11:54] <rburton> pitti: ping! | |
| [11:54] <pitti> rburton: pong | |
| [11:54] <rburton> new hal coming soon? | |
| [11:55] <pitti> rburton: i'm right at working on it | |
| [11:55] <pitti> rburton: I need to port all the changes to the new 0.2.98, this takes me a while | |
| [11:55] <seb128> fabbione: I've mailed Denis to ask about the patch/his comments/.. what we should do | |
| [11:55] <fabbione> seb128: you rock! | |
| [11:55] <rburton> pitti: excellent | |
| [11:55] <seb128> fabbione: I'll let you know when I get a reply | |
| [11:55] <pitti> rburton: new dbus is already available :-) | |
| [11:55] <seb128> pitti: we are upgrading hal finally ? | |
| [11:56] <pitti> seb128: yes, mdz wanted to have dbus, hal, gvm and nautilus-cd-burner upgraded | |
| [11:56] <pitti> seb128: I'm working at the whole stack now | |
| [11:56] <seb128> ok, cool | |
| [12:03] <fabbione> daniels: nv driver seb fault on amd64 laptop | |
| [12:03] <fabbione> s/seb/seg | |
| [12:03] <daniels> fabbione: segfault? i thought it just picked res wrong? | |
| [12:06] <fabbione> no | |
| [12:06] <fabbione> he has send me like 20 mails in 5 minutes | |
| [12:06] <fabbione> the log shows a segfault | |
| [12:06] <fabbione> Fatal server error: | |
| [12:06] <fabbione> Caught signal 11. Server aborting | |
| [12:07] <fabbione> the rest of the log looks ok | |
| [12:07] <daniels> argh :\ | |
| [12:07] <daniels> where does it segfault? | |
| [12:07] <fabbione> at the end | |
| [12:08] <fabbione> let me forward | |
| [12:08] <daniels> cheers | |
| [12:16] <fabbione> oh great | |
| [12:16] <fabbione> another mail from him | |
| [12:16] <daniels> ? | |
| [12:16] <fabbione> it works with -dbg | |
| [12:16] <daniels> heh, lucky you :) | |
| [12:16] <daniels> ARGH! | |
| [12:17] <daniels> -O2 bug? | |
| [12:17] <fabbione> i am afraid so | |
| [12:17] <daniels> oh man | |
| [12:17] <daniels> can we get mdz or someone with an amd64 to rebuild with -O0 but stil lwith the loader? | |
| [12:17] <fabbione> i will compile a normal package for him | |
| [12:17] <daniels> thanks | |
| [12:17] <fabbione> and see what happens | |
| [12:17] <fabbione> i have access to amd64 | |
| [12:19] <fabbione> no i don't... | |
| [12:19] <fabbione> dchroot is borked | |
| [12:20] <fabbione> elmo: please tell me you are around and i know you are reading your mails :-) | |
| [12:23] <elmo> huh? | |
| [12:23] <elmo> it's Debian dchroot | |
| [12:23] <elmo> you need to 'dchroot -c warty' | |
| [12:23] <elmo> or does that still not work? | |
| [12:24] <elmo> oh, I may not have added you in yellow, blah, one sec | |
| [12:25] <elmo> try now | |
| [12:26] <fabbione> yeah it's on yellow | |
| [12:27] <fabbione> right a sec :-) | |
| [12:27] <fabbione> much better | |
| [12:28] <fabbione> elmo: adare gives me a warning | |
| [12:28] <fabbione> Executing shell in 'warty' chroot. | |
| [12:28] <fabbione> su: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. | |
| [12:28] <fabbione> (Ignored) | |
| [12:28] <elmo> uh, cute | |
| [12:28] <elmo> it works tho right? | |
| [12:28] <fabbione> yes | |
| [12:28] <fabbione> did you install ccache in the chroots? | |
| [12:28] <fabbione> that would save several hours recompiling crap around | |
| [12:29] <elmo> yes | |
| [12:29] <fabbione> cool! | |
| [12:29] <fabbione> you ROCK! | |
| [12:30] <elmo> ah, okay, fixed the warning.. at least I know what that is now - i get that on like 10 of my debian buildds | |
| [12:31] <thom> lack of /etc/shadow details for the user, right? | |
| [12:31] <thom> (sorry, just back from reboot) | |
| [12:31] <fabbione> elmo: there is no ccache on yellow | |
| [12:31] <elmo> thom: more not having shadow turned on, but yeah | |
| [12:31] <fabbione> adare is perfect :-) | |
| [12:32] <elmo> wow, wonder how mithrandir didn't complain about that - anyway, fixed | |
| === fabbione hugs elmo | |
| [12:33] <fabbione> Fetched 62.5MB in 2s (25.5MB/s) | |
| [12:33] <fabbione> AHH NEAT | |
| [12:33] <elmo> yeah, just don't do that around realise time.. mdz puts on his angry eyes if you do | |
| [12:33] <elmo> err, release even | |
| [12:34] <fabbione> ehehe | |
| [12:34] <seb128> doko: here ? | |
| [12:34] <seb128> doko: #1159 <- could you reply to the comment ? | |
| [12:39] <fabbione> elmo: but that was an internal transfer anyway.. i didn't suck bw from outside LAN | |
| [12:39] <fabbione> anyway | |
| === fabbione grabs some food while X builds | |
| [12:40] <elmo> fabbione: yes, but auckland only has so much disk I/O .. | |
| [12:40] <elmo> around release time, with our new BW, it will actually become an issue - I might have to firewall LAN hosts away from auckland :> | |
| [12:42] <fabbione> elmo: don't worry.. it's not like we change X every day. I can just ssh the interdiffs | |
| [12:43] <fabbione> but i needed the first orig.tar.gz | |
| [12:43] <fabbione> i really can't do much without it ;) | |
| [12:43] <fabbione> i need some food | |
| [12:55] <seb128> bugzilla broken ? | |
| [12:55] <seb128> "You don't have permission to access /show_bug.cgi on this server." | |
| [12:57] <thom> seems to be working again now | |
| [12:57] <thom> though it's butt ugly | |
| [12:59] <elmo> aiee, it's been themed! | |
| [12:59] <elmo> attack of the killer plone css stylesheets! | |
| === elmo can mock in safety thanks to a certain BT ADSL link death ;-) | |
| [01:01] <thom> it makes my bug list look a lot smaller tho, so it's probably good | |
| [01:01] <rburton> hmm | |
| [01:02] <thom> elmo: *g* | |
| [01:15] <daniels> ow, my eyes :\ | |
| [01:16] <rburton> hm | |
| [01:16] <daniels> thom: diediediedieblood | |
| [01:17] <daniels> thom: using /usr/bin/X11 causes daniels to put on his angry eyes | |
| [01:17] <daniels> thom: /usr/X11R6/bin in PATH, kthxbye | |
| [01:17] <daniels> ;) | |
| [01:18] <thom> uh, the former is a symlink to the latter | |
| [01:18] <thom> *shrug* | |
| [01:18] <daniels> yes | |
| [01:18] <daniels> i would like to kill the former | |
| [01:18] <fabbione> oh god! | |
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| [01:18] <daniels> more than I would like to kill the latter | |
| [01:18] <fabbione> someone gives me back the original buugzilla | |
| [01:20] <fabbione> it's kinda.. hmmmm horrible? | |
| [01:20] <rburton> no jdub today? | |
| [01:36] <seb128> "You have requested an encrypted page that contains some unencrypted information. Information that you see or enter on this page could easily be read by a third party." | |
| [01:36] <seb128> GRRRRR | |
| [01:36] <seb128> stop this NOW | |
| === seb128 kicks bugzilla | |
| [01:36] <fabbione> seb128: i think you should talk to justdave | |
| [01:36] <fabbione> but is not here | |
| [01:48] <fabbione> daniels: no luck -O0 | |
| [01:52] <daniels> fabbione: arse :\ | |
| [01:52] <daniels> $10 on the loader | |
| [01:53] <fabbione> $100 that we will get tons of duplicates | |
| [01:54] <daniels> yah :\ | |
| [01:55] <daniels> if you want, I could try to build an nv_drv that we can dlload | |
| [01:56] <fabbione> hmm | |
| [01:56] <fabbione> no hold on | |
| [01:56] <fabbione> with -O0 doesn't crash | |
| [01:56] <daniels> ? | |
| [01:56] <fabbione> but the screen is black | |
| [01:56] <daniels> oh, garbled display | |
| [01:56] <daniels> arse | |
| [01:56] <fabbione> IF THAT PUNK WILL EVER MANAGE TO SEND A REPLY IN THE SAME PLACE | |
| [01:58] <fabbione> amd64 = little endian, right? | |
| [01:59] <thom> why do people want to flipping use mod_rewrite all the time? | |
| [02:00] <fabbione> thom: because there is too much good crack around | |
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| [02:38] <sivang> morning all | |
| [02:39] <sivang> what was the final decision about the ubuntu-desktop pkg? | |
| [02:47] <Sledge__> anyone interested in fixing #1207? | |
| [02:48] <thom> Sledge__: i'll look once i'm back in amd64 | |
| [02:48] <thom> couple of hours, probably | |
| [02:50] <Sledge__> cool, ta | |
| [02:50] <Sledge__> the fix is obvious, mail me if you want a patch | |
| [02:55] <seb128> what's the right place to add an "updatedb" after the installation ? I want to reassign #1439 | |
| [02:57] <Kamion> base-config | |
| [02:59] <seb128> ok, thanks | |
| [03:08] <thom> lets see how my sparc deals with a 2.6 kernel | |
| [03:19] <thom> badly, appears to be the answer | |
| [03:19] <jdub> rburton: pong | |
| [03:19] <rburton> jdub: welcome back. :) | |
| [03:19] <thom> jdub: i now have a working firefox | |
| [03:20] <rburton> jdub: two things. 1) i hear you've been talking to my partner in sysadmin crime dalderman | |
| [03:20] <jdub> haha | |
| [03:20] <jdub> thom: :-) | |
| [03:20] <rburton> jdub: and 2) can you mail me all of your .desktop files? i want to play with python-xdg | |
| [03:21] <jdub> yours aren't good enough? ;) | |
| [03:21] <thom> jdub: you have to disable typeaheadfind to get typeaheadfind to work | |
| [03:21] <jdub> thom: uh....huh. | |
| [03:21] <jdub> that's completely bong | |
| [03:21] <thom> cool huh | |
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| [03:21] <jdub> rburton: so i ended up reinstalling the machine i installed every desktop package on ;) | |
| [03:22] <rburton> jdub: dammit! :) | |
| [03:22] <jdub> thom: can you change your sync alias to jeff.waugh@ etc. ;) | |
| [03:23] <thom> yeah, guess | |
| [03:23] <thom> you have filters i presume? | |
| [03:24] <jdub> two Maildirs :) | |
| [03:24] <daniels> spunky | |
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| [03:25] <thom> ahr | |
| === thom -> amd64 | |
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| [04:14] <daniels> thom: ... disabling the extension ... makes it work ... | |
| [04:16] <Sledge__> thom: cheers on the 1207 fix | |
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| [04:29] <thom> daniels: cool huh? | |
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| [05:12] <daniels> thom: you can have the assassinations; i'm *so* sorry. | |
| [05:12] <thom> *g* | |
| [05:12] <thom> yikes. mdz is gonna hurt me | |
| [05:13] <thom> the fix for 1600 is to bring c-client into supported, have it available but not build the imap package | |
| [05:15] <daniels> !!!! | |
| [05:15] <daniels> 0 | |
| [05:15] <daniels> (ignore the 0) | |
| === daniels jumps in the queue behind mdz. | |
| [05:16] <thom> fuck i hate php | |
| === thom hacks | |
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| [05:45] <lamont> Kamion: I keep getting bugs in that I can only explain if I believe that postfix's (debconf) config is being run before the initial user is added, or we have a hostname, or whatever... | |
| [05:47] <thom> hrm. i take it back | |
| [05:47] <thom> it just happened to work after i did that | |
| === thom is now running a version with out, adn that works too | |
| [05:48] <thom> yay | |
| === lamont wishes that bugzilla would add References: lines so that things wound up threading better. | |
| === lamont wanders off again. | |
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| [06:04] <mdz> thom: the what now? | |
| [06:07] <Mithrandir> Kamion: any response from mrvn on the grub problem? | |
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| === schweeb pokes lamont | |
| [06:38] <T-None> schweeb: should be back in 2h | |
| [06:38] <schweeb> vim is majorly broken. | |
| [06:38] <schweeb> filing a bug now. | |
| [06:39] <schweeb> no alias from vim->vim.org, gvim supposedly included, but not installed, etc... | |
| [06:45] <schweeb> the .list files in /var/lib/dpkg/info should tell you all of the files that are in a package, right? | |
| [06:47] <mdz> elmo: I haven't seen auckland misbehaving in some time; it really does seem to be related to your rsyncing antics | |
| [06:47] <T-None> schweeb: all the files that are installed by the package | |
| [06:47] <T-None> wich is slightly != all the files in the .deb | |
| [06:47] <schweeb> gotcha | |
| [06:48] <schweeb> could be generated by debconf or something | |
| [06:48] <mdz> schweeb: the bug is already filed | |
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| [06:48] <schweeb> mdz: is it? the one where vim isn't symlinked? | |
| [06:48] <mdz> schweeb: 834 | |
| [06:48] <mdz> it's not meant to be symlinked | |
| [06:48] <mdz> vim-gnome, vim-python etc. divert /usr/bin/ vim when they're installed | |
| [06:48] <mdz> but then don't remove the diversion when they're removed | |
| [06:48] <schweeb> ah | |
| [06:50] <schweeb> so /usr/bin/vim should be... ? an executable? | |
| [06:50] <schweeb> oh, I see now | |
| [06:50] <schweeb> vim.org == vim original | |
| [07:13] <elmo> mdz: huh? | |
| [07:13] <elmo> do you mean the Sources.gz thing or something else? | |
| [07:13] <mdz> I've never seen the Sources.gz thing | |
| [07:14] <mdz> just it becoming unresponsive | |
| [07:14] <elmo> that wasn't 'rsync antics' it was just me using apt-get on the LAN | |
| [07:14] <mdz> the Sources.gz thing would be easier to dismiss as SEP if it weren't happening to several different people on different ISPs, running Ubuntu | |
| [07:14] <mdz> oh, I thought at the time you said you were shipping ISOs around | |
| [07:15] <mdz> speaking of ISOs... | |
| [07:15] <elmo> oh, well I might have been dl-ing an ISO, but it would have been using http | |
| [07:15] <mdz> Kamion: what would it take to convince debian-cd to build DVD images? | |
| [07:15] <Kamion> probably not a lot, I can grab the runes from gluck | |
| [07:15] <mdz> ah, ok. whenever I think of thrashing I/O bandwidth, rsync comes to mind | |
| [07:16] <Kamion> but now isn't a good time to ask, buried in mklibs :-/ | |
| [07:16] <mdz> Kamion: what's broke? | |
| [07:17] <npmccallum> mdz: everything went find in the ooo build except for the splash screen, which I'm trying to figure out now | |
| [07:18] <Kamion> mdz: I'm at the d-i developer meeting today | |
| [07:18] <mdz> ah | |
| [07:18] <Kamion> trying to make graphical d-i boot, which is not as easy as it doesn't sound ;) | |
| [07:20] <Kamion> I did make powerpc boot off a USB stick this morning though | |
| [07:20] <Kamion> ('boot usb1/hub@1/disk@1:2,\\:tbxi', yum) | |
| [07:20] <Mithrandir> Kamion: did you talk to mrvn? | |
| [07:21] <Kamion> Mithrandir: um, whenever I've talked to mrvn today I haven't managed to get anything useful done for the next half an hour 'cos he goes off rambling about something or other | |
| [07:21] <Kamion> give me a while to work myself up :) | |
| [07:22] <Mithrandir> Kamion: sure, just wondering, not prodding | |
| [07:22] <Mithrandir> Kamion: I'm off playing mao in a bit anyhow.. gotta infect trondheim as well. :) | |
| [07:22] <Kamion> heh | |
| [07:31] <npmccallum> seb128: is there a reason abiword doesn't have a .desktop file? | |
| [07:32] <seb128> he has afaik | |
| [07:32] <seb128> or the -gnome version has at least | |
| [07:36] <npmccallum> seb128: abiword-gnome did it, thanks | |
| [07:36] <seb128> np | |
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| [07:48] <npmccallum> mdz: I lied, the ooo splash screen does work, but I was running mixed versions :) It should be ready for upload | |
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| [07:52] <mdz> npmccallum: great, thanks | |
| [07:52] <npmccallum> mdz: approval? | |
| [08:00] <mdz> npmccallum: yes | |
| [08:21] <mdz> gah | |
| [08:21] <mdz> thom: scroll wheel seems to have stopped working in firefox? | |
| [08:22] <mdz> er...only in _some tabs_ | |
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| [09:28] <daniels> mdz: it's not to do with partial vs full loading? | |
| [09:28] <daniels> mdz: i can't use (shift-)ctrl-tab or f6 on partially loaded tabs | |
| [09:31] <mdz> daniels: well, I had a tab where it was working, and then stopped after I scrolled around a bit | |
| [09:31] <mdz> and it wasn't loading | |
| [09:31] <daniels> hrm | |
| === daniels sleeps. | |
| [09:45] <daniels> 0% [1 bsdutils 34401/62.6kB 54%] 3459B/s 20h5m43s | |
| [09:45] <daniels> (hooray) | |
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| [10:09] <mdz> elmo: here? | |
| [10:19] <elmo> mdz: yeah | |
| [10:20] <mdz> elmo: sorry to bug you, but lamont is incommunicado today | |
| [10:20] <mdz> elmo: wanted to know if you could look into #1257 | |
| [10:20] <mdz> seems to have been successfully built, but never appeared in the archive | |
| [10:21] <elmo> it's an archive problem anyway, I'll fix in a sec | |
| [10:43] <mxpxpod> is anyone around that has access to the buildd's? | |
| [10:45] <mdz> mxpxpod: the logs are now public, temporarily housed here: http://people.no-name-yet.com/~lamont/buildLogs/ | |
| [10:46] <mxpxpod> mdz: well, vim is all messed up right now on powerpc | |
| [10:46] <mdz> mxpxpod: messed up how? | |
| [10:46] <mxpxpod> Unpacking vim-gnome (from .../vim-gnome_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_powerpc.deb) ... | |
| [10:46] <mxpxpod> Leaving `diversion of /usr/bin/vim to /usr/bin/vim.org by vim-gnome' | |
| [10:46] <mxpxpod> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/vim-gnome_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_powerpc.deb (--unpack): | |
| [10:46] <mxpxpod> trying to overwrite `/etc/vim/gvimrc', which is also in package vim | |
| [10:46] <mxpxpod> Errors were encountered while processing: | |
| [10:47] <mxpxpod> /var/cache/apt/archives/vim-gnome_1%3a6.2-532+4ubuntu2_powerpc.deb | |
| [10:47] <mxpxpod> elmo: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | |
| [10:47] <mdz> https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1717 | |
| [10:47] <mdz> not a buildd problem, just a bug | |
| === Mithrandir has been playing mao.. fun, as usual. | |
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