=== __daniel [~daniel@td9091b0b.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:00] mdz: ^ [12:00] mdz: but I think since we don't have NMUs in Ubuntu, this scheme should not clash with regular uploads [12:00] pitti: this is not an easy question [12:01] -2ubuntu0 << -2woody1, for example [12:01] which is what the Debian security team would use [12:01] mdz: right, but we don't use woody version numbers, do we? [12:01] mdz: well, _if_ we update a woody version, then we need to think about a different scheme [12:01] -2woody1ubuntu0.1 === pitti shakes [12:02] would be consistent, but ugly [12:02] but I think that won't happen very often === lamont_r [~lamont@209-181-74-164.dnvr.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] mdz: okay, I uploaded glibc (#2743) and imagemagick (#2769) [12:07] mdz: gee, we urgently need version (or at least distribution) tracking in our bts [12:07] pitti: you are learning the pain of security :-) === lamont_r chuckles [12:07] mdz: I left the bug open for now (normal/target Hoary) until I upload them to hoary [12:08] mdz: but I think I deal with Hoary when I fixed all other security bugs [12:08] mdz: that okay for you? === rjb [~arjaybe@207.102.22.2] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [12:10] pitti: yes [12:10] pitti: I highly recommend keeping your own todo list [12:10] separate from bugzilla [12:10] mdz: in any case [12:11] pitti: fortunately sarge sorts below ubuntu :-) [12:11] mdz: and etch, too :-) [12:12] it should become part of our automated upgrade testing to ensure that this doesn't occur [12:12] mdz: and at the time etch is actually released, I'm grandfather === pitti hides [12:12] mdz: you mean it does not occur that our updates sort below the current Debian stable? [12:12] pitti: not only the current Debian stable, but anything that we support upgrades from [12:13] woody->warty is a supported upgrade path [12:13] so warty must be > woody [12:13] mdz: I thought sarge would do 1.sarge... [12:13] I believe we checked at one point [12:13] and all of the packages in warty/main had higher version numbers than woody [12:13] which is fortunate [12:14] mdz: that won't always be true, you know... [12:14] lamont_r: right, but we should ensure that it is true at release time [12:14] until we fix this awful version number problem once and for all [12:15] mdz: oh, gaim was missing [12:16] mdz: according to my log, I already uploaded gaim to the security queue, but it is not yet in the security packages file [12:16] mdz: Just thinking of the case where sarge happens to release just before the grumpy upstream version freeze, or some such.. :-( [12:17] mdz: I just checked all my logs, gaim is the only security upload I forgot about in above list [12:17] pitti: the security queue is different from the normal upload queue [12:17] pitti: packages do not automatically go into the archive via security [12:17] they must be processed by hand [12:17] mdz: yes, that's why I'm asking whether it is still present [12:17] gaim | 1:1.0.0-1ubuntu1.1 | source amd64 i386 powerpc | 2 days old [12:17] mdz: or whether I somehow forgot to actually upload [12:18] ah, okay === Ferry [~Ferry@cust.15.118.adsl.cistron.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] mdz: I prepared the first USN for gs-common, of course the package list is still missing. [12:22] mdz: http://www.piware.de/usn-gs-common.txt , could you please have a short look? [12:22] pitti: great [12:22] certainly [12:22] pitti: the date should be right-justified [12:23] but I think amber should do that for you now [12:23] mdz: oh, amber also creates this template? [12:23] mdz: I just copied the template from the website, where it is not justified at all [12:23] mdz: fixed [12:24] pitti: yes, amber will give you a template to be filled in [12:24] very nice [12:24] the website stuff is cut-and-waste from the emails I sent [12:24] I prepare the stuff for the other packages and send them out as soon as I get the amber mail [12:25] Probably not today any more, I'm exhausted and it's late [12:25] and libc6 will take a while to build (took 4 hours on my machine) [12:25] pitti: 30 mins in the DC :) [12:26] elmo: okay, okay, you have better machines to play with :-) [12:26] pitti: How many passes is that? [12:26] hmm, actually, it's 30 i386, 43 powerpc, 48 amd64 [12:26] jbailey: pardon? [12:27] pitti: how many different versions of glibc do you build for giggles [12:27] pitti: processor/thread combinations. In Debian on ia32, we usually have 3 (386-linuxthreads, 386-nptl, 686-nptl) [12:27] I just tried it on my desktop (686) [12:28] but I thought debuild would build them all? [12:28] 4 hours just seems awful high. [12:28] I remember seeing much of the build log parts more than once [12:28] jbailey: it's stock Debian source, so it'll be whatever debian does for 386 [12:28] s/stock/pretty-much \1/ [12:29] jbailey: I don't have the fastest machine, though :_) === azeem once compiled glibc on 400 MHz notebook for Debian GNU/Hurd. It sucked. [12:31] pitti: since we only upload source, it is important to test the binaries which are built by the buildds [12:31] at least one arch [12:31] azeem: Debian GNU/Hurd takes about 4 times as long in my experience. I usually leave 3 hours on my 1.8ghz p4. [12:31] mdz: that's why I compiled the stuff and tested it, and why it took so long until I actually asked for approval :-) [12:31] (for linux) [12:32] pitti: hm? [12:32] yo jbailey [12:32] pitti: the binaries built by the buildds [12:32] jbailey: it definetely wasn't 12 hours on my 1.8ghz p4 [12:32] (on Hurd) [12:32] g'morning Jeff. =) [12:32] mdz: ah, I see [12:32] more like 5 or 6 [12:32] mdz: sorry, confused [12:32] azeem: We do 3 passes on i386, though. On the Hurd we only do one. [12:32] ah :) [12:46] mdz: how'd the meeting go? i fell asleep late last night putting pipka to bed === doko [doko@dsl-084-057-046-053.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] hello jdub [12:46] pants off seb128 [12:46] :) [12:46] jdub: which one? CC? [12:46] yeah [12:46] it went pretty well, I was in and out a bit at the end [12:46] jdub: mako has transcript and is preparing a summary [12:46] cool [12:50] jdub, mdz: am planning on finishing that one tonight [01:05] mdz: I have all USNs ready. I need some sleep, I will send them out tomorrow (when the amber mails hopefully arrived) [01:05] Good night everybody! [01:07] pitti: wait [01:07] mdz: still here [01:07] pitti: the amber mails will not arrive until I run amber [01:07] and the advisories should go out immediately after that [01:07] glibc does not seem to be built yet [01:08] daniels: around? [01:08] hmm, is there an approximate ETA? [01:08] mdz: I can stay up for another hour, if necessary [01:12] pitti: elmo is making some adjustments to amber [01:12] pitti: which ones are you ready to send out? [01:12] mdz: all but gaim [01:12] mdz: I'm currently typing gaim [01:12] pitti: ok. I have tested gaim and it works fine; I can't test MSN but I see no regressions in AIM/jabber [01:13] pitti: which ones are the simple temporary file stuff? [01:13] gs-common, glibc, gettext....? [01:13] mdz: gettext, glibc, gs-common, postgresql [01:13] mdz: do you have the two CC'ed mailing list adresses at hand? [01:14] pitti: gaim, gettext, gs-common, postgresql are built and ready [01:14] mdz: please give me some more minutes [01:14] glibc and imagemagick are not built yet [01:14] mdz: I need to change my subscription to bugtraq [01:15] mdz: I subscribed as martin@piware.de, but I need my canonical address [01:15] mdz: I'm producing the required groff patch now, FYI [01:15] Kamion: thanks, keep pitti informed [01:15] pitti: bugtraq@securityfocus.com, full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com [01:16] mdz: do I need to subscribe full-disclosure to post to it? [01:16] pitti: I am not sure [01:16] pitti: you need to be subscribed anyway [01:17] mdz: okay [01:17] jdub: sup? === nmf [~nmf@81.193.169.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] daniels: do you think composite-on-by-default is likely for hoary? [01:19] jdub: we can try it, but I'm uncomfortable doing it without a fair bit of testing [01:19] but if we test it in the hoary tree and it's not too bad, we can keep it on for main [01:19] tempting [01:20] though it's going to be different for different video cards, right? [01:22] yeah [01:22] due to render accel [01:22] i think radeon's is pretty solid, and that in the nvidia binary driver can be a bit odd sometimes [01:22] is it easy to turn on/off ? I.e. a control panel ? [01:22] lifeless: Section "Extensions"\n\tOption\t"Composite"\t"Enabled"\nEndSection [01:23] it's not configurable on-the-fly [01:23] ah. perhaps that should be a goal - an option for folk to switch, but htey have to log out and in [01:23] pitti: are you ready to publish? [01:23] pitti: elmo is finished and I am ready to amber [01:23] mdz: I don't get a confirmation email from netsys [01:24] mdz: I subscribed several minutes ago... [01:24] lifeless: mmm [01:24] mdz: otherwise, bugtraq subscription is okay, all USNs are ready [01:24] pitti: the important thing is that it goes to ubuntu-security-announce and the webiste [01:24] lifeless: i'll see how it holds up in hoary; if it's stable enough for what we're doing, great, enabled per default. if not, it'll be disabled per default, and I'm not so sure I don't want a shiny-things button. [01:24] mdz: I can send the full-disclosure mail later if it has member-only posting [01:24] s/don't want/want/ [01:25] pitti: have you read the advisory guidelines I put in the wiki? [01:25] mdz: not yet [01:25] pitti: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityNotification [01:26] mdz: ah, I read this [01:26] pitti: for the temporary file vulnerabilities, the advisory should indicate with what privileges the overwriting takes place [01:26] if it is the privileges of a user invoking a program, or a system process, etc. [01:26] because this makes a big difference in the impact [01:26] hmm, lamont has the buildds set to take too much [01:27] mdz: hmm, I have to add this [01:27] well, maybe.. might not matter too much, even 10 packages isn't going take too long on average, and worst case will screw us even if we have less [01:27] pitti: let me know when you are ready for me to review the text [01:28] elmo: what are we going to do about getting new packages from sid into hoary/universe? [01:28] (rather than new versions) [01:28] or are you already doing that? [01:28] I'm going to deal with that in a bit.. also have to deal with removed packages, which is alittle more fun [01:28] since we have no record of where non-Debian stuff in universe came from (whee) [01:28] indeed [01:29] can someone prioitize merging/clearing-for-sync libldap2 and any other gnutls using libraries? [01:29] without that hoary's going to be severely broken dep-wise [01:30] mdz: btw, I assume I'm okay that people don't need to bother you/jeff for clear-to-sync mails? [01:30] mdz: ok, uploaded to Debian, cced pitti on my mail to upstream [01:31] elmo: correct [01:32] elmo: dude, the merges are done [01:33] Keybuk said they were finished this afternoon === elmo hails keybuk's turing complete merge-meister [01:34] I guess that would explain why I still have the majority of uploads to hoary :P [01:39] mdz: ready: http://www.piware.de/usn/ [01:39] mdz: I hope my English is not too bad at this time === lamont_r [~lamont@209-181-74-164.dnvr.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] mdz: could you do some proofreading, please? For helping a USN author newbie? :-) [01:41] Recently, Trustix Secure Linux discussed a vulnerabily in the [01:41] discovered [01:41] vulnerability [01:41] (postgres) === daniels stares at elmo. [01:42] way, which allowed a symlink attack for overwriting [01:42] elmo: thanks, fixed [01:42] I'd say: way which allowed a symlink attack to overwrite [01:42] personally, but that's possibly just me === __daniel [~daniel@td9091b0b.pool.terralink.de] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] [01:42] agreed [01:42] elmo: I take the word of a native speaker [01:43] same for gs-common then [01:44] elmo: fixed both errors in all USNs [01:44] and uploaded again [01:44] A buffer overflow and two remote crashes were recently discovered in [01:44] the MSN protocol handler. [01:44] I'd say "gaim's MSN protocol handler" [01:44] otherwise it sounds like MSN is buggy, IYSWIM [01:45] fixed [01:45] elmo: which is not altogether inaccurate, but irrelevant :-) [01:45] pitti: reading now [01:45] pitti: still misspelling vulnerability in postgres [01:45] pitti: have you verified the CVE names against the CVE website? [01:45] mdz: yes [01:46] elmo: spell fixed [01:47] "Since imagemagick might be used in custom printing systems," <- s/might/can/ is more idiomatic and solves the duplication in the next sentence [01:47] done [01:50] pitti: it is a good idea to run an aspell check on all of the text [01:50] will do next time [01:51] hiya [01:51] pitti: s/files of/files with the privileges of/ [01:51] pitti: in at least gettext [01:52] the files would not need to belong to that user, only be writable by them [01:52] pitti: also s/overwrite/create or overwrite/ === __randy__ [~randy@sclab-25-433.sclab.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] mdz: fixed [01:56] cool, jimmac is using ubuntu [01:56] pitti: looks good [01:57] pitti: ready to release? === __randy__ [~randy@sclab-25-433.sclab.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] thumbs up! I even got my f-d subscription [01:57] hey, that's a point [01:57] we need a "who uses ubuntu" section on the website [01:57] oh dudes [01:57] http://primates.ximian.com/~jimmac/blog/Misc/Ubuntu [01:57] ^ jimmac likes Ubuntu on his Mac [01:57] oh dudes, i just said that ! [01:57] :P [01:57] heh [01:57] who is jimmac? [01:57] elmo: that'd be easy [01:57] I assume he works for ximian [01:57] elmo: 'all the cool kids' [01:57] mdz: jakub steiner, gnome icons man [01:58] mdz: yeah, he's one of their crazy art guys [01:58] doh [01:58] elmo: amber blew up [01:58] and ximian/novell art biatch [01:58] sweet [01:58] elmo: jabbered you the output [01:58] no you haven't? [01:58] like hell I haven't [01:59] have NOT [01:59] sent again? [01:59] perhaps you are not logged into jabber :-P [01:59] I so am dude [01:59] ooh, jabber is broken [01:59] geez.. first he insists he's sent me mail.. then he insists he's sent me jabbers.. [01:59] ;-) [02:00] I disconnected from jabber and tried to reconnect, and it hangs [02:01] haha [02:01] http://davyd.ucc.asn.au/images/battstat-preferences-cleaner.png [02:02] davyd's latest sshot has 'sudo suspend' ;) [02:02] mdz: btw, why did we go for "add a user line to sudoers" instead of a wheel-group equivalent set up? [02:03] jdub: no one even mentioned the possibility, including you :-P [02:03] could very well be simpler to do it that way [02:03] %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL [02:03] mdz: btw, http://cipherfunk.org/diary/archives/monthly/2004-10.html#e2004-10-26T18_44_02.htm [02:04] mdz: i thought of it a few times, but stupidly didn't mention it, because i thought it had been passed over. [02:04] mdz: fwiw, that's how OS X does it [02:04] mdz: would it be a PITA to transition to it? [02:04] jdub: not for new installs [02:04] http://ronald.bitfreak.net/images/g-v-a.png <- whats different in this shot? [02:05] i guess it wouldn't for upgrades either; you'd only have to add one line [02:05] and existing users already have sudo love [02:05] tseng: dunno [02:05] looks the same old to me =/ [02:05] tseng: although it has been rewritten [02:05] yes. === mjg59 fails to get ACPI on the craptop working under FreeBSD [02:06] mdz: interesting patches [02:07] (paul is 'ultrafunk' aroudn irc) [02:08] you know [02:08] i was thinking last night [02:08] jdub: what did he have on the laptop before? [02:09] probably fedora [02:09] mdz: I saw it mentioned a number of times, actually [02:09] we make a lot of decisions on irc [02:09] and talk about interesting stuff here [02:09] mdz: always when more important stuff was happening, though ... [02:09] while some people may only be able to track ubuntu-devel [02:09] Kamion: I remember it was mentioned late in the release cycle [02:09] i want to make more of an effort to use that list [02:09] but not back in Oxford when we made the change [02:09] mdz: *nod* [02:10] mdz: I think it'd be good for new installs, but I was a bit scared to use "wheel"; that group has a lot of baggage [02:10] Kamion: agree [02:10] people rather expect it to be gid 0, too [02:10] god damn it, I suck. [02:10] pitti: still with us? [02:10] mdz: yes [02:10] adding the initial user to gid 0 would suck :-) [02:11] pitti: minor train wreck in generating the advisory template === lamont_r [~lamont@209-181-74-164.dnvr.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] anyway, this alleged going-to-bed thing ... [02:11] adduser jdub sudo ;) [02:11] Kamion: ... is for the weak! [02:11] mdz: in the meantime I created all mails and put them into my outgoing queue; so I just need to add the package lists === daniels heads out of range of WiFi. [02:12] I'll be out for a fair bit of tomorrow; picking up the girlfriend from visiting family an hour or so's drive away [02:12] Kamion: ok, enjoy [02:12] enjoy :) [02:12] will catch up as per usual :) [02:15] lol [02:15] katie@jackass:/srv/ftp.no-name-yet.com/queue/accepted $ amber 3-1 gs-common_0.3.6ubuntu1.1*.changes -n | less [02:15] amber is only useful for members of the security team, you tramp. [02:15] :-) [02:15] you can smell elmo-written scripts a mile away [02:16] heh === __randy__ [~randy@sclab-25-433.sclab.clarkson.edu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [02:18] they smell like schhhnnaaaakke === shlomil [~shlomi@80.179.82.247.forward.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sjoerd [~sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lupus_ [~lupus@kn-ivl-2.kuleuven.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] Hi sjoerd! nightshift, too? [02:34] pitti: you should have an email with the gs-common template now [02:34] mdz: not yet [02:35] Oct 27 01:34:10 fiordland postfix/smtp[10351] : D3041B68002: to=, orig_to=, relay=redir-mail-telehouse1.gandi.net [02:35] [217.70.180.1] , delay=2, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as ED36E445C1D) [02:35] Oct 27 01:34:39 fiordland postfix/smtp[10352] : D3041B68002: to=, orig_to=, relay=mail.piware.de[213.9.79.162] [02:35] , delay=31, status=sent (250 OK id=1CMblu-0004Rv-VO) [02:35] it liked me better [02:35] mdz: now it's there [02:36] probably took a while to get though SA, procmail, and the like [02:36] pitti: gettext inbound [02:36] and postgresql [02:37] imagemagick [02:37] and gaim [02:37] hmm, glibc's taking too long, lemme check on it [02:38] mdz: the template shows all generated debs; shall I cut that down to the really affected ones? [02:38] ok, we need lamont for glibc [02:38] hmm, he was just here [02:38] the buildd mail config is broken for the powerpc and amd64 buildds it built on [02:38] GAH [02:38] can we retry it and hope it gets a different one? [02:38] lol [02:39] sorry, channeling lamont there [02:39] I think I am going to need to go buy some sandbags and build a dike [02:39] before I drown [02:40] mdz: ready to fire the first USN (gs-common) [02:41] pitti: whenever you are ready, or if you want me to look at it first, let me kno [02:41] know [02:41] mdz: it's just the known notice with the package list appended [02:41] to: u-s-a, cc: full disclosure, bugtraq, signed [02:41] pitti: go ahead [02:44] mdz: for gettext, only the really affected "gettext" or shall I include all other packages (gettext-base etc.) as well? [02:44] pitti: if you know that the bug is only in one binary package, you can list only that one [02:45] mdz: as I already did, okay [02:45] mdz: so I can also remove the other packages/md5sums/etc? [02:45] pitti: leavae the md5sums [02:45] leave [02:45] okay [02:46] gettext is away [02:46] I think I should wait for the arrival of gs-common before sending further mails... [02:46] I approved the list messages [02:46] argh, why does my post to u-s-a await moderator approval??? [02:46] pitti: every post is moderated [02:47] ah, okay. So no error on my side === Nigelenki [~bluefox@pcp485126pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] pitti: trying to reach lamont === Nigelenki [~bluefox@pcp485126pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] he is enroute [02:51] ah, the first two mails came through :-) === pitti is excited [02:53] pitti: :-) [02:53] mdz: I sent the three other USNs (all except libc) [02:54] pitti: do you have privileges to add them to the website? [02:54] mdz: time to try out my password :-) === sjoerd [~sjoerd@fire.ipv6.luon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] you guys don't need me for anything else do you? === Nigelenki [~bluefox@pcp485126pcs.whtmrs01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] elmo: thanks a lot for your help! [02:57] mdz: it seems as if I could edit the page [02:57] elmo: all the ambering has worked fine, so I don't anticipate a problem with glibc, thanks === lamont_r [~lamont@209-181-74-164.dnvr.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:58] well, mobile's on anyway, if something comes up.. [02:58] night all [02:58] night elmo [02:58] elmo [02:58] still here? [02:59] mdz: when I click on "add error reference" on http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/usn/, I get a permission denied [02:59] mdz: is that the right way to add another USN? [02:59] lamont: wha? [03:00] mdz said I needed to poke a couple buildd's... wondering which machines... [03:00] whatever built glibc [03:00] adare and .. [03:00] right [03:00] ah, yes [03:00] yellow [03:01] the glibc build log bounced, AFAICT [03:01] yes === lamont_r goes to deal with it [03:01] do I want to know why, or will it make me cry? [03:01] the size limit seems to be set to 0.. [03:01] message_size_limit, iirc [03:01] pitti: yes, that's right [03:01] pitti: you must not have permission [03:02] dunno - I'll get 'em signed/uploaded, and triage/fix/email you when I get home [03:02] mdz: can I get it? [03:02] lamont: k [03:02] pitti: I don't know how to do that, but I'll look [03:03] website....so....slomw [03:03] slow [03:04] pitti: I don't see a way to do it; I may not have permission [03:05] mdz: hmm; Alexander Limi and Jane should know how? [03:05] mdz: maybe we can sort that out tomorrow and you copy the USNs to the page? [03:05] pitti: yes, I will need to do that [03:06] mdz: sorry :-/ I will ask somebody tomorrow to give me permissions [03:06] pitti: glibc failed on amd64 [03:06] damn [03:06]