=== skyrider [~skyrider@ppp2.pool.123.com.ua] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robertj [~robertj@66.188.77.153] has joined #ubuntu-doc === George^Deka [~george@089.b.008.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:33] hi all [02:38] hello [02:43] hi hornbeck === robertj [~robertj@66-188-77-153.cpe.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:49] do you know anything about apache? [02:54] yeah [02:54] whats the rub? [02:54] ok [02:55] I have opensoftdesign.org [02:55] it is pointed to my server, the same server as the svn server [02:55] I can 69.155.172.150/book [02:55] but I cannot opensoftdesign.org/book [02:55] I know it is something I am doing wrong [02:55] does pinging opensoftdesign.org work [02:56] I don't know, you can try [02:56] you can go to it through a webbrowser and it is my blog [02:56] (64.202.167.129) [02:56] hmm [02:56] whys that [02:57] try it in a web browser [02:57] do I need to be running dns here at the server? [03:00] I will be back, I am going to go eat real quick [03:01] no === mercurus [~mercurus@PIPP-p-144-134-201-106.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:03] you have to register your ip address with go-daddy's nameservers [03:18] who's go-daddy [03:22] the address parking that domain [03:22] I thought you registered your domain through them [03:26] nope [03:26] I used freebsdportal.com but they look like the same place I think [03:27] I have to run though, I will check it out more. [03:27] Thanks though, and grab the svn version of the Book, the work directory has the newest version I was working on. Book-main.xml will launch it. [03:27] Thanks Robert === Hoodster [~alan@adsl-223-220-238.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:46] Hi All [08:30] Morning friends and italians... ;) === mercurus_ [~mercurus@PIPP-p-144-134-201-220.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:14] morning all :o) === trickie [~trickie@203-217-43-161.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:40] lulu: moin :) [10:42] Hiya! [10:42] Gorgeous day this side of the world :o) [10:47] lulu: Just send some weather. It's cold and raining here. :( [10:50] morning! [10:51] ChrisH: light a fire and grab a cup of good coffee :o) [10:52] bbl... fire alert... ;) [10:52] plovs_work: morning! [10:54] lulu, how are the plans for WikiWishes, will those things be implemented? [10:55] plovs_work: can you be more specific? You mean the whole wiki wish list to be done? [10:58] lulu, that would be nice, off course, but especially moving the oldwiki and dtml scripting [10:59] plovs_work: I don't know if you saw James Troups' response - he should eb getting to the wiki move this week. He's just gone to the datacentre and I will see him later today and remind him :o) [11:01] lulu, and dtml scripting, that would be cream on the pudding [11:01] ok, off to lunch [11:02] plovs_work: I'll certainly ask for the cream/cherry! [11:53] lulu, marvellous! === geoff_ [~geoff@dsl-30.154.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === geoff_ [~geoff@dsl-30.154.240.220.dsl.comindico.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === sid77 [~sid77@host99-44.pool8020.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sid77 ciao [01:34] hi sid77! [01:35] ciao === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.155] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:43] I'm back === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.38.155] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:17] plovs_work:ping === plovs_work [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:26] ChrisH, awake? we need help with webdav [03:27] plovs_work: sure [03:27] nice, webdav here we come [03:27] plovs_work: for your funky idea about a to do list through evo? :) [03:28] ChrisH, yeah, and well, eeuh to play around with evolution as well [03:28] plovs_work: I like the idea. :) [03:28] Hey all [03:29] hey [03:29] sivang: Hey, Obi Wan. :) [03:30] ChrisH : Hey Luke :) [03:33] ChrisH, could you make s write-up of webdav? i want to do it at home as well [03:33] plovs_work: Uuuh. Tricky. I haven't done that much with webdav besides svn. [03:34] sivang, did you ask me about sip-phones? [03:34] ChrisH, ok, then we'll have to figure it out first [03:34] sivang is now the master of sip phones :) [03:35] hornbeck, http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/10825_2176771_2 [03:35] I will look at it [03:35] yes, plovs_work I am thinking of an experimental way to do collaborative working in DocTeam - enter SIP Phones! [03:35] You'll probably not need the "loadmodule" stuff. Apache2 has DAV built-in. [03:35] we could extend this to whole canonical/ubuntu work scheme :)) [03:36] sivang, i use skype sometimes, you're supposed to be able to conference as well [03:36] sivang, but i prefer chat and im and mail [03:36] sivang, less intrusive afaik [03:37] plovs_work : ok [03:37] plovs_work: I will set this up in alittle wihle [03:37] while [03:37] Voice-ICQ would be nice. :) [03:37] why not use yahoo? [03:37] it has voice ability [03:37] can conferance [03:37] I used to use it all the time with groups [03:38] linux? firewall? [03:38] hornbeck, i've got webdav running, easy as pie (which is not that easy i'm told) [03:38] ChrisH, skype conquers it all, and has messaging as well, and is NON-FREE [03:39] can webdav run on apache2? [03:39] I am finding stuff for apache 1.3 [03:40] hornbeck, yes just dumb the following in httpd.conf: [03:40] DAVLockDB /var/www/lockfile/DAVLock [03:40] DAVMinTimeout 600 [03:40] [03:40] DAV On [03:40] AuthType Basic [03:40] AuthName test [03:40] AuthUserFile /var/www/passwd/webdav [03:40] AuthGroupFile /dev/null [03:40] Require user test [03:40] [03:41] hornbeck, and make u user test with password (you need apache-tools, with htpasswd) [03:41] you need that for svn also [03:41] sivang, if you want you can try skype, i am alexander.poslavsky at skype [03:42] hornbeck, just the folder then DAV on is important [03:42] ok I will try it [03:45] plovs_work : ok, I will let you know when :) [03:47] plovs_work: Ok it is there, now what? === rcaskey [~rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:48] hey robert [03:49] hornbeck, looking here as well, i am trying to put a task-list on the web, locally, not so simple [03:51] how do I add the webcal:// to the server [03:51] it is asking for it [03:56] hornbeck, can't get it to work here as well [04:01] I am not getting it [04:02] hornbeck, that makes two [04:02] hornbeck, we need a howto [04:02] for dummies [04:04] I am searching right now [04:04] i'm gonna get st to eat === plovs [~plovs@195.13.248.82] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:19] hornbeck and all: as per our discussion, thanks John :o) Mark has agreed that we can have an svn server to be set up in the Canonical datacentre for the doc team to use. ETA end of next week. James will be in touch with you, John on this. Thanks for all your help. It's likely that it will be under docteam.ubuntulinux.org..... :o) [04:22] yes! [04:23] lulu, thanks [04:23] hornbeck, i've got a read only tasklist now [04:24] nice [04:24] I cannot get anything :-) [04:24] I am heading out for a second though [04:24] brb [04:24] hornbeck, webcal://test:12@192.168.0.31/dav/tasks.ics [04:25] and you should have tasks.ics in your /var/www/dav/ or whatever [04:25] hornbeck, still, this is rather useless [04:25] can I just "touch tastks.ics [04:25] hornbeck, sure go ahead [04:25] hornbeck, but carefully [04:26] plovs: dtml... [04:26] hornbeck, i actually don't know [04:26] lulu, yes??? [04:26] plovs: I've had a chat to a guru or 2 :o) === plovs ........ [04:27] lulu, who said .... === plovs is feeling the tension rise [04:27] what exactly do we need dtml for, so we can find a way to achieve the goals with scripts that people can use, but not compromise the security of the site/wiki? [04:28] I can answer that [04:28] by being able to create and edit them? [04:28] hello lulu, plovs [04:28] sm: go ahead! [04:28] sm, the man of the hour [04:28] hiya! :o) === sm bows [04:29] well, you need it for dynamic lists etc, which everyone is so keen on [04:29] yes... [04:29] and a database frontend for the hardware database which should just be in a database === plovs has to run away, will read the log, see you guys [04:29] it weakens security more than moin macros, because it's an open ended scripting language - someone could write dtml to erase all zope objects (worst case) [04:30] that's what I heard... [04:30] you can prevent that by restricting permissions of the wiki folder's owner [04:30] sm: could we not have prewritten scripts that we can call... === sid77 bye! [04:31] sm: but not editable... [04:31] and anyone can "link" them in a page... [04:31] yes we could.. moin-a-likes.. but that would take a bit of time [04:31] which I seem to be terribly short of :) [04:32] it's probably a good idea; I personally find dtml worth the bother and use it everywhere [04:32] sm: what skills would people need to write these scripts? [04:32] and does anyone else in the team have them? [04:33] some python programming ability, willingness to dive into the zwiki codebase, with pointers from me [04:33] sm: what if we drew up a list of specific scripts that we need....and put a bounty and a deadline on it? [04:34] and is this a priority over and above the other things on the wish list? [04:35] perhaps we should prioritise things on the wiki wish list? [04:35] that's a great idea [04:36] bounties make it easier for me (or anyone) to justify it [04:36] I am due to review WikiTodo & WikiDiscussion === plovs_work peeks in [04:37] Ok - so who can prioritise the wiki wish list to represent what most people would want to see handled in order...? could you do this? [04:37] my priorities right now are your two bugzilla issues [04:37] sm: yes... [04:37] yes I'll make a pass at it today.. maybe plovs can advise me [04:38] lulu, i'll be able to help, but only in three for hours from now [04:38] sm, i meant [04:39] plovs if you like, pick a time to check in ? [04:39] sm, 19:15utc ? [04:41] lulu, what about the other points on the wish-list? [04:41] er utc is.. remind me ? [04:41] plovs, sm - that's great..... [04:41] plovs: I think you guys need to prioritise the wiki wish list and let's go from there ok? [04:42] lulu, np [04:42] sm, it is now 15:42utc [04:42] so 19:15 is 3,5 hours from now [04:42] ok, 3.5 hours from now then [04:42] is utc = gmt ? [04:42] thanks guys :o) [04:43] thx lulu [04:43] lulu, see ya === sm upgraded to ubuntu yesterday :) === plovs_work welcomes sm to the club [04:44] ok, now i really have to go, see you in 3,5 hours, bye all [04:46] see you [04:48] thanks :o) [04:48] lulu, plovs: but this issue of custom tags vs dtml can use some more discussion/exploration imho [04:49] we can see how it works out [04:54] ok - perhaps you could do that on email to the list? [04:54] sm: sound sane? [04:55] I find email difficult sometimes.. but yes perfectly sane [04:56] I'll send something short right now [04:57] sm: cool - then everyone can give their opinion. could u cc steve@canonical.com too please. thanks :o) [04:58] ok [04:58] sm: thanks! [05:03] quoting from the above log, hope that's ok [05:10] np [05:10] sm : SImon? [05:19] hello sivang [05:20] hi sm [05:23] what are you working on ? [05:28] man this calendar is pissing me off === sm is now known as sm-breakfast [05:41] plovs: good to see you on the tomboy list :-) === sm-breakfast is now known as sm === rcaskey returns === enrico_ [~enrico@81-174-12-206.f5.ngi.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:54] hi again sm, wasn't here sorry [06:54] sm : Working on bunch of stuff, docs, new comers help, gst,yelp fixes ..:) [06:55] sm : btw what is the dtml script things? I find those posts to the list cryptic somehow.. [07:01] it's about putting scripts/macros in wiki pages [07:01] to generate listings automatically, etc [07:02] any bounties invloved? (my unemloyed self is talking :)) [07:05] not yet [07:06] k [07:06] see the list, perhaps there will be [07:06] are you a python coder ? [07:06] just started with that, so guess it would not apply for me anyhow :) [07:06] I've been a C,C++,Java,bits perl hacker.. [07:06] :) [07:07] as we organize the WikiTodo list, I would think there'll be some good bounty candidates [07:07] ah [07:07] well if you want some pointers, ask me [07:07] help is always welcome [07:07] see you [07:08] ok, bye [07:09] sm : I am also working on a top level, not wiki specific todo list [07:09] great [07:09] sm : you on your way out? [07:10] I was.. yes, must work [07:10] I'll be back in an hour to talk todos with plovs === sm waves === mercurus__ [~mercurus@pipp-p-144-138-229-218.prem.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:24] night all :o) === lulu [~lu@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === maskie [~maskie@196-30-111-181.uudial.uunet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc === cenerentola [~cenerento@84.222.39.241] has joined #ubuntu-doc === silbs [~sbsm0084@host217-37-231-28.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === hornbeck [~hornbeck@adsl-69-155-172-150.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:02] hi guys [08:04] hornbeck, any news about evolution? [08:04] I just got back [08:04] we will have to make a calendar first [08:04] than we can link to it [08:04] we have to figure out how to make the .ics file first [08:05] hornbeck, make one and copy it from .evolution/ folder [08:05] ahhh good idea [08:06] you are so smart :-) [08:13] I can not open it [08:13] what was that page again? [08:14] that page ? [08:14] the one about setting up the webcal [08:14] you posted it in here [08:14] sorry === ark0n3 [~ark0n3@ppp-114-118.98-62.inwind.it] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:14] ah, brb [08:15] http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/10825_2176771_2 [08:17] hello [08:20] hi [08:22] sm, shall we work from top to bottom? i'll make a new write-up on a seperate page, ok? [08:22] alright then === sm logs in, as usual [08:23] are we including plone todos ? [08:24] maybe all [08:24] * make login cookies persist [08:24] why should we log in every day [08:26] sm, maybe for a week or so [08:27] I was thinking about three ways to track these going forward - bullet list, zwiki issue pages, bugzilla [08:28] bullet list is right for now eh [08:28] sm, yes, a list, we send it to the ml for review and then but it in bugzilla, ok? [08:28] s/but/put [08:30] sm i'll keep a list [08:30] alright [08:30] 1. persistent login [08:30] (we can renumber later ok?) [08:31] bien sur [08:31] When editing, a link to a summary of available markup , is this possible? [08:31] my mind is a bit foggy.. go ahead === sm r e a d s [08:32] for sure [08:32] what exactly is needed do you think [08:32] well we can go into it later [08:32] in moin, there was a short explanation of the markup-language [08:32] when you press edit [08:33] at the bottom of the page, under the edit box [08:33] moin-like markup explanation (for each page type) [08:33] ok [08:33] what else do we have here.. [08:34] an RSS feed of changes would be extremely useful -- MarkShuttleworth [08:34] check.. that's not hard [08:34] moin has this (you'll hear this a lot) [08:34] does he know about mail subscription I wonder [08:34] zopewiki has it [08:35] maybe we just need to advertise it and pretend we fixed it :-) [08:35] yah [08:35] Table Of Contents [08:36] for moin page types ? [08:36] rst already does it, right [08:36] i think we use ReST and moin only [08:37] and this should be optional right ? some moin pages won't want this ? [08:37] so: moin-like table of contents macro for moin pages [08:37] choice is nice, but always is better then never [08:38] and ReST? [08:39] it's in rest already [08:39] how? [08:39] .. contents [08:40] something like that [08:40] it's in the rst docs [08:40] really, duh [08:40] I believe [08:40] rst or ReST? or both [08:40] rst = restructured text [08:40] ok [08:40] I use it in preference to varied spelling/capitalization [08:41] ok [08:41] moin: internal wiki links with labels - [wiki:ThisPage Description] [08:42] off course if hacking moin is a lot of work we can settle with rst [08:42] but at least one markup language should be ok [08:42] put it as an issue, sure [08:42] IMHO it's a non-priority [08:43] but if someone wants to bounty it.. [08:43] i'll put it at the bottom [08:43] can you use html in moin btw ? [08:43] if you turn it on, usually turned of and advised not to [08:43] it just parses whatever you write [08:44] moin: page list regular expresions - [[PageList(Howto$.*)] ] (idem dito?) [08:44] is that a way to achieve labelled wiki links right now then ? [08:44] (html in moin) [08:45] sorry i thought you meant in real moin, no in the wiki it doesn't work afaik, but i don't use moin often [08:46] ok [08:46] me neither [08:46] page list - that's the general need macros issue, right === rcaskey [~rcaskey@cai17.music.uga.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:47] I think we have a proposed solution there [08:47] to work on, I mean [08:47] does dtml work in moin? [08:48] I think.. not [08:48] you saw the latest list discussion, right [08:49] anti dtml: related: right now DTML doesn't work in RST either. It's only available in the structured text and HTML page types. [08:51] we'll put the moin stuff in but lower in the list, i think, we should have a working solution first, ok? [08:53] we should probably just list the issues and prioritise them according to the community's need [08:53] ok [08:54] Allow pages that list the current page to be included - [[FullSearch()] ] one more moin macro [08:55] it's kindoff the same as PageList, i'll file it there [08:55] consider installing PTS for skin i18n (http://zopewiki.org/PlacelessTranslationService) [08:55] bbl [08:56] yes - that would translate the plone & zwiki skins somewhat [08:56] this looks nice, but does it make the site even slower? [08:57] and comes basically for free, so seems like a good idea [08:57] no [08:57] then we should put it high in the list [08:57] hmm it might interact with caching [08:57] I think we won't know without trying [08:57] the admins can figure that out :-) [08:58] actually it needs some discussion on the list; the caching guru(s) may know [08:58] I don't know who that is [08:58] we just make the list, they can sort it out [08:58] but ubuntu is international, so it should be looked into [08:59] in moin we had icons, flags, road-signs etc, (this is my first one, we spoke about this already) [08:59] http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/HelpOnSmileys [08:59] yes [08:59] these would work only in moin pages ? [09:00] rst, more pages are being done in rst atm [09:00] I don't think you want to mess with standard rst though.. ? [09:00] or maybe you do; an issue to discuss [09:00] you're sure bugzilla is the place ? I agree it would be nice to have real issue pages [09:01] but I'm replying to one now and it sucks [09:01] hard [09:01] well partly because I can't remember my login [09:02] ;-) that makes life hard [09:02] Deleted Pages do not show up in changes [09:02] never mind.. let's get the list first [09:02] this is a real problem afaik [09:03] to keep track of the wiki, RecentChanges should work well [09:06] is it possible to see Deleted Pages, somewhere? [09:06] plovs: yes, by subscribing [09:07] well, i do not want to subscribe to the whole wiki, so then what? [09:07] then it's an open issue [09:08] current recent changes can't show them easily [09:08] ok, i added it [09:08] thx.. what else [09:08] Add a spelling checker to the editor. [09:08] oh, there's also http://ubuntulinux.org/wiki/recycle_bin/folder_contents [09:09] or a view like http://zwiki.org/RecycleBin [09:09] can i subscribe to that? [09:09] no [09:10] i like http://zwiki.org/RecycleBin [09:10] we could pretty easily set this up (not as a wiki page) on ubuntu [09:11] ok [09:11] RecentChanges? in moin has a feature which allows the user to set a bookmark timestamp [09:12] right.. open issue [09:12] The frontpage has a recent items, block (left-top) stuff from the wiki does not go there, or how can the doc-team add content there? === bsm117532 [~bsm117532@adsl-67-117-125-146.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:13] hmm [09:14] only published items appear there [09:14] something to look into [09:15] should not be a problem [09:15] Add a spelling checker to the editor. [09:15] you mentioned that one [09:16] what else have we [09:16] surely that's everything :) [09:16] plenty left [09:16] these are all site and wiki software todos, right [09:16] not wiki content [09:16] RecentChanges? calls everything new, even if it is just an update, very confusing. New, updated and removed as indicator would be much more usefull [09:17] no.. only pages created in the last week [09:17] we can probably do better [09:17] hmm I have to go shortly [09:18] yes, it's late [09:18] where are you ? [09:18] latvia, it's 22:19 here [09:18] aha [09:18] los angeles [09:18] ah, ok [09:18] some more quickly [09:19] so how to move forward - [09:19] usernames in recentchanges are not clickable [09:19] someone please go moderate my post to ubuntu-doc... [09:19] some of these need discussion, some don't .. [09:19] didn't want to join the mailing list... [09:19]