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To meet these people with threats of violence and/or humiliation, or anything other than personal dignity is playing right into their hand or opening "this side" up to opposition, and adding energy to their game. I agree in shutting off power and phone, jamming wi-if and blocking any access into the area. You didn't plan well and forgot necessities? Tough. What happens when you go camping and forgot to pack whatever? You go without, borrow from your mates, (if they're willing to share) or cut the trip short. Y'all got yourselves into this jam, don't be expecting for those you are flipping off to be accomadating. As a sign in a supply house said, "Poor planning on your part, does not constitute an emergency on ours". Read 'em and weep, girls. Oh, and I'd say, last one out, turn down the heat and turn off the lights, but if it were up to me, you wouldn't have to worry about it

It's worth noting Lizzy Acker quotes a sensationalist and inaccurate tabloid article from more than a decade ago. So much for journalistic integrity. This is news how? Here's a more recent article that paints a more accurate picture of the thriving and diverse subculture that Lizzy Acker seems to have missed: http://newpittsburghcourieronline.com/2013/07/10/more-african-americans-get-involved-in-anthrocon-every-year/

I was really glass to see her letter which concisely states what is actually going on down there. She voiced what I've known.

One shan't not excrete waste where one eats

That's kind of my point, I guess: someone posting racially-charged comments like that on their Twitter doesn't strike me as likely to unite people. Rather the opposite, in fact. Again, her professional credentials are impeccable (an actual urban planning and design pro as mayor? Awesome.), and there's no arguing against the need for significant change in our city government. These racial comments simply don't give me confidence in Ms. Iannarone.

A-- Breach of Contract! the refuge was the ONLY reason I voted for that bond -- does Metro think they will ever have credibility with anyone again? B-- Given the lengths Metro has gone to (and gobs of money already spent) to force the public subsidy of a privately owned hotel on the rest of us -- we can conclude just where their priorities lie. We underwrite comfy beds for travelers and consign captive animals to lives of misery. Sign me up for a popular revolt against the ongoing mess that is Metro.

It sounded to good to be true at the time they floated that bond; why do I have the feeling it's been already spent on something else.

This is literally the benefit of legalization. What was once a lawless and unscrupulous industry now must meet regulation and code. If you have an actual, honest grievance and can prove it you can go to a court to get it settled instead of taking it out with guns or threats.

Agreed; this is really disappointing. You'd think they'd be legally bound to follow through on a voter-passed bond measure. How will it be decided what that money will be used for now (unless, like you suggest, it's already been spent)?

The Oregonian is hardly what I'd call journalism these days. They've been feeding the far-right propaganda for weeks now. The ignorance is mind-blowing.

It's unfortunate that Metro is supporting the zoo's reckless desire for showmanship over conservation. The new elephant exhibit with massive design flaws went three times the original budget, and the offsite reserve was the sacrificial pawn. With two elephants dead in 2015 and Packy suffering from advanced TB, the state of affairs in the zoo is truly deplorable.

Hi Jeff, you bring up interesting points. "$589 , great deal ! I paid that much 20 years ago for mine , haven’t shot anyone since then either !" So what I hear you saying is that you bought something 20 years ago that you have yet to use (and avoid its use) for its intended purpose, and moreover, it has failed to appreciate in value. I am forced to question your investment choices. Can you explain what value you see? "[T]here is no mechanical difference between the scary black guns and any other Semiauto rifles made in the last 100 years ." The Picatinny Rail dates to the early 1980s. If it offers no mechanical advantage, why are they so popular? The AK47 was also hands-down better than the StG 44, the first modern assault rifle (Sturmgewehr literally means "assault rifle"). It was better for mechanical reasons. I frequently ponder, if there is no inherent advantage, why is there such a desire to preserve the public market for assault rifles? Could you elaborate on that?

"Anybody who can kiss that many asses, that quickly, is so primed for success in the American workplace that they don't need your crappy restaurant job." ^This. Also, having been both the chatty person and the languishing-in-line-behind-the-chatty-person person, I think the best thing to do is smile and get over it.

Just had NLB for lunch yesterday. Got a bowl of chili and some tater tots - the tots were nice and crispy, and the chili was perfectly cromulent. As a carnivore, I wouldn't go out of my way for anyone's faux grilled cheese, but I'd be happy to stop by this place with my strict-vegetarian husband again.

Look Walker, is it collards or mustard greens? Or a combination? I need to know!

The quick quip: If there are two things people hate, it's sprawl and density.

Man, they're being sued for NOT growing pot? Somebody call Alanis Morissette, because this is ironic.

Sounds more like a business investment gone bad instead of a shakeup of the "power structure". Investing a third of a million into a black/grey market industry has its risks... especially if you don't document a contract.

I wish I could say I am surprised by this, but I'm not. I no longer trust Metro to do the right or just thing. Plus, I really don't think the Oregon Zoo knows how to properly take care of the animals in their care.

Climate justice activists have repeatedly told Novick that they will support density proposals if adequate protections exist for the working class and the poor, otherwise we'll just build a wonderful green city that only the rich can afford to live in. He keeps getting stuck on this point like a broken record without actually listening to what people are repeatedly communicating to him. Solid electoral strategy.

Gosh, what happened to Novick? He seems to have lost some intellectual acuity. Now he is a close-minded pro-density anti-car fetishist. It's dumb to deny climate science, but the importance of stacking everyone in apartments can be debated. The biggest contributors to global warming are agriculture, sheep and dirty utility plants. In fact, there are studies suggesting that a big dog has a big carbon footprint, but you wouldn't hear Novisk risk angering dogowners. BTW- I note that the most strident anti-car types still fly, and that we have tech bros working in the Bay Area and living part time here. Let's have a discussion of what jets do to the environment- but that would be shared sacrifice. I am voting for that Emmons guy. He seems okay and Novick is the pits.

The article says Sarah would be the first female candidate in THIS race—the 2016 one.

Whatever happened to loyalty to a set of principles that define the Democratic Party? They are still there. The Democratic Party is the only party that can move this country forward.

How many more elephants must die before we join the rest of the civilized world and stop caging wild animals? Forced breeding for money. Politics as usual, money for nothing. Who are these people and why do they have control?

She already got some 'splainin' to do. What's with the umbrella?!

Metro has lied to us from the beginning about what this money would really fund. What a pile of lies. Makes me sick that my money is paying for the captivity and forced breeding of these wild animals. I want a refund Metro - you are liars!

Of course it is helpful when a talk show has: A) sponsors B) listeners

The site of her org at PSU gives the impression that she has completed her doctoral program but this article says she is still working on it. What are the facts? Also, $63,629 in salary and benefits for a part time job is pretty rich and that is quoted from 2013. Can only imagine that she given herself two or three raises since then. Portland is brimming with faux do-gooders who mostly benefit themselves. Here's another one.

On its face, Glueck's claim that AG Rosenblum needed a stronger settlement for her re-election is pretty silly. She currently has no opponent, and the Republicans have not fielded a primary candidate for AG in two election cycles.

The ballot measure did not mention anything to do with a separate elephant reserve. It was part of a presentation that showed what the money might be used for, but the ballot measure did not specify a reserve.

Nigel - Major problem with your article. You assume that Democrats know how to lie.

Actually overpopulation is really big issue for the planet. I'm protecting the planet by never reproducing. Portland Bureau of Transportation Director Leah Treat doesn't think you should be allowed to drive a car but she is allowed to have four kids. Very bad for the environment for many years to come. Typical Portland double talk.

I'm sorry to hear this Carl. I thought you and Thom were thick as thieves. And I can't imagine what he could have said or done for you to lump him in with the more beligerant Bernie fans. I mean, after all, he doesn't allow folks to badmouth Hillary on his show, and daily....maybe even hourly....states emphatically that he will support her if she gets the nod in the primaries, and work hard to get her elected. But politics is your passion, man....take some time off, if you need, and come back, ok?

Here's a link to the actual ballot measure that was voted on. No mention anywhere of an elephant reserve https://multco.us/elections/november-4-2008-measure-no-26-96

This comment system is so crappy you can't cut and paste a reasonable sized document, so here goes in multiple posts the actual ballot measure as voted on. Nowhere will you find an elephant reserve listed. There is no breach of contracts QUESTION: Shall Zoo protect animal health and safety; conserve, recycle water; issue $125 million in general obligation bonds; require independent audits? If the bonds are approved, they will be payable from taxes on property or property ownership that are not subject to the limits of Sections 11 and 11b, Article XI of the Oregon Constitution. SUMMARY: Measure will: Provide more humane care for animals: update four outdated and undersized enclosures with larger, more natural and safer spaces Protect animal health and safety: modernize Zoo's substandard 45 year old animal clinic determined deficient by the American Zoo Association.

Part 2 of the actual ballot measure. Increase access to conservation education: provide more space for summer camps, classes and hands-on learning for kids, adults, and families. Improve water quality: replace the Zoo's 1950's sewer system, reducing pollution by separating sewage from storm water, harvesting runoff for reuse. Conserve, reuse water: install water recycling filtration systems; replace leaking, worn-out plumbing, irrigation systems, saving 11,000,000 gallons of water annually. Improvements will meet sustainability standards. EXPLANATORY STATEMENT The Oregon Zoo is committed to the conservation of endangered species and their habitats–both locally and around the globe–while at the same time providing adults and children with one-of-a kind recreational experiences and hands-on-learning about wildlife and conservation.

Part 3 ballot measure It is the oldest zoo west of the Mississippi ; during its 50-year history at the current location, key parts of the Zoo have become old, out-of-date and worn out. The Zoo bond measure will update and replace old exhibits and facilities, increase access to conservation education, and replace utility systems to reduce water and energy use and lower operating costs. More Humane Conditions for Elephants Outdoor space will increase from 1.5 to 6 acres, adding watering holes, shade structures, large trees, and boulders, providing more outside exercise and offering a more natural environment. Protecting the Health of Polar Bears Provide cooler temperatures and more humane conditions by removing concrete and adding land and pool space. More Humane Enclosures for Apes and Monkeys A renovated exhibit will replace the current cage-like conditions with larger indoor and outdoor areas, adding running water and more natural conditions.

Part 4 of ballot measure. Dedicated Space for Conservation Education Replace two 12 year old modular trailers, a former storage space, a basement and leased off-site space with new presentation, classes and camp space for the over 100,000 children and adults attending annually. Condors Provide an on-site Condor exhibit. Protect Animal Health & Safety Replace the substandard 45-year old animal hospital and quarantine buildings with facilities meeting modern standards.

I wasn't living in Portland in 2008, but have seen the taped statement of Metro councilmember Collette assuring an audience, prior to the vote, that an off-site preserve for the elephants would definitely be included in the zoo bond. Metro and the zoo are continuing to treat these animals as a commodity and profit generator.

Part 5 of ballot measure Save Water, Reduce Water Pollution, Improve Water Quality Since most of the zoo's pipes, plumbing and irrigation systems also date back to the 1950s and '60s, many are outdated, leaking and well past their useful lives. The most expensive utility cost at the 55-acre zoo is water, and leaking pipes, run-off, inadequate filtration systems, and lack of water storage all contribute to wasting water and increasing costs. Replacing the sewer system and separating sewage from storm water will reduce pollution, improve water quality and save costs. Adding modern water filtration and recycling systems to the hippo and penguin pools will save over 11,000,000 gallons of water every year. That's all the relevant parts of the ballot measure. No mention of an elephant reserve. That's what was voted on. Too bad WWEEK couldn't provide some level of in depth reporting, instead resorting to click bait.

"Brewers love weed. I didn't know that before legalization..." Really? Admitting as much illustrates how out of touch with "the beer scene" you claim to spend a lot of time around. This is something that is neither new or novel (although for the reasons you outlined above has never been made with weed, and only hemp)" http://nation.time.com/2013/11/21/with-legal-weed-comes-hemp-beer/

Seven minutes? Time to go to the coffee shop next door then.

I just don't really think more planning experts are what we need in government. We need someone who can fix Portland so we can have good, middle class jobs. Planners have a different focus. Quality of life starts with a decent job, not a pedestrian friendly neighborhood where you can walk to your crappy job.

Actually, my lawsuit isn't so much about the Maurers not growing pot, but rather their breaches of contract, fiduciary duties, unlawful conversions, defamation - libel & slander, and fraud & misrepresentation. With that said, I am anxious to get the court's ruling. I doubt the Maurers are waiting for that day!

They talked about a reserve repeatedly and the Humane Society endorsement in the voter pamphlet refers to it specifically because that is how metro sold it. This is a bait and switch where they left it out when it got to the end of the campaign because nobody actually reads the actual legalese of the measure. This is total fraud.

Wow. Sorry to make light of the situation. It does seem like they burned you on this; I hope the court sorts it out for you. I hope we don't see a lot of suits like this as the industry grows.

Nick - I would be delighted if climate activists were showing up to argue for both density and housing affordability. Instead, they are mostly not showing up to the comprehensive plan hearings at all. Density, as Angus Duncan of the state climate change commission points out, is key to climate policy. If 7,00 people live within walking distance of each other, a grocery store will spring up to serve them that they can walk to, rather than drive. Density is critical to the viability of transit; the reason the New York subway system is economically viable is that there are a lot of people per stop. I think it's important for people who care about the climate to explain that to their fellow citizens. As to gentrification, cause gentrification; what causes gentrification is rich people moving here. If we built zero new housing, the rich people moving in would still drive up the price of the existing housing.

I moved from reefer-mad Minnesota to Portland, OR because it was no longer a black/gray market here. Thanks to people like Anthony Johnson, Amy Margolis, Russ Belville, Madeline Martinez, the founding members of The Weed Blog, (and because I am so new to the area, I regret that I am not able to name the many other activists that deserve recognition for their efforts and perseverance to "legalize it" in Oregon.) Unfortunately, judging by the facts that a court of law will determine valid or not, I put my full faith and trust in some people that, I now allege, had hidden, false motives and intentions for their personal gain.

Predatory patrol towing isn't a big subject, and there is no advocacy group that is paying any attention to it, but the City of Portland has completely backed off of enforcing state law where the towing predators are operating on private property, and this is Commissioner Novick's failure. He's in charge of towing. The City has allowed Retriever Towing to operate in open violation of ADA for years at their NW Quimby lot, and there is absolutely no provision in city ordinance that takes into account when they tow a mobility-disabled person's vehicle. Wheelchair or no wheelchair, the person has to get themselves to the tow yard (which does not have wheelchair access). Led by Senator Avel Gordly, the legislature enacted important new citizen protections against predatory towing effective January 1, 2008, but there is no effective way for Portlanders to learn what their rights are other than what the predatory towers themselves tell you. A description of the protections has never appeared on the City website. The version posted there has never been correct. It is only in the past two years the the City began enforcing the signage requirements, and the City Towing Coordinator worked with the towers to pass the costs onto the citizens. $ 20 of every tow bill goes to the towers to "compensate" them for their signs, with no upper limit, and your $ 20 is likely to be paying for signs completely unrelated to the place your vehicle was towed from. Portland towers are allowed to operate in open violation of state law and the City's own statutes, providing towing services to property owners for free. That is specifically prohibited by state law and City ordinance. Senator Gordly's legislation was intended to protect people living in apartment complexes, generally low-income, minority populations, and they have no one standing up for them in City Hall. I hope you are that champion.

An elephant in a zoo is an animal exhibition in a sterile, unnatural environment. Artificial breeding is not natural. It is a tortuous procedure as tubes for insemination are forced up the female's reproductive tract. Elephants in zoos are prone to TB, hepatitis, joint and foot problems, and early deaths, not to mention boredom and depression of constricted movement. In contrast, larger tracts of land in sanctuary allow elephants a more natural life. It's a holistic approach to what the elephants need. They are more apt to flourish and show off their gentle and playful personalities. Visitors see an elephant more similar to those in the wild. In sanctuary, it's a win-win for elephants and patrons alike! I have seen zoo elephants, and wild elephants in Africa. It's disappointing that Metro is backing out of the reserve.

The show had both sponsors and listeners. No need to denigrate the man's show.

I sure do hope Carl changes his mind. He's a great radio talk show host. I always liked him and Thom in the mornings on KPOJ. And Heidi, miss her alot, and the rare commitment to our liberal progressive values they displsyed during the darkest days of the Bush years. I adnire hiw Thom relished the opportunity to mix it up with total right wingers. But he has a certain kind of reserve to stay on purpose and let the stupidity roll off like water off a duck's back. Carl has a great big huge heart, and he cares too much, takes it all in and si its part of who he is as a human being I would venture a guess.

Our Zoo, which I have been a member of, is a sad collection of badly designed and indifferently maintained habitats. The new elephant exhibit is a testament to a complete failure of imagination. While flogging their desire for bond passage we were led to believe that our elephants were to be treated to a vastly improved and humane system of husbandry. They (and we) have been ill-served by Metro.

Cliffs Notes version: I'm taking my ball and going home.

Voodoo Doughnut lines are still crazy, see the whole story at http://www.theportlanddream.com

You need to understand the difference between the ballot measure and paid for comments in the voters pamphlet. You votedcfor the measure and it didn't have any mention of a reserve. I love that we have a voters pamphlet that states the measures in plain English. Those who voted without understanding the actual measure have no one to blame but themselves.

Um. Bernie supporters attack. Thom Hartmann a liar. Definitely time to step away from the mike. Lousy timing, but there you are. Politics is personal. Always has been. Always will be. It's neither for the faint of heart nor the intrinsically correct. It's an election. Put on your big boy underpants and stand up.

One of the most important things the rich want is exclusivity: the ability to restrict who can call themselves their neighbors. Opposing development or fighting for the "character" of a neighborhood (when character means $500K+ homes) gives them that. I think affordable housing advocates make a terrible mistake when they hold hands with nimbys.

My daughter is in this class. She is not so interested in academic topics (ex: Geography of Africa) at this juncture. But she was SO EXCITED about doing this assignment. She wanted to work on it a week before it was due. So we did it twice, by her choice. The cost was minimal (2 cake mixes). Apparently no good deed goes unpunished in Portland OR. Public school teaching is not for the faint of heart - and it's not the students who make it so.

I agree with Commissioner Novick. Many climate advocates including myself are guilty of not stepping up and speaking out about how critical density is. I live just a block of Division, so I know first hand how much/fast things are changing. It's odd to me that neighbors who love being able to access lots of open space just minutes from town resent that they can't park in front of their house. There are trade offs.

This article does not really give this place the props it deserves. This place is great. The people are friendly, the beer is awesome, lets not forget the food...oh and not to mention the dessert...Everyone there in my experience is been excellent. Its close to home, and it even has a VIP section reserved just for me. Cant go wrong visiting this place.

I agree with the supportive comments to this story. This teacher is enthusiastic and engages her students. The map allowed them to learn major geographic features of Africa in a fun, creative way - a perfect assignment for an arts focus school. My child is thriving at Da Vinci, which allows him to learn in a way that suits his artistic and musical interests. I would add that the student body is more diverse than our neighborhood school, in terms of ethnicity and economics.

Here's an idea. Spend $2 million moving them back to a protected reserve in Africa. Then spend another $3 million to pay for their food for the next 20 years. We all come out $120 million ahead, animal groups are happy, elephants are happy (and warm).

Sad to hear Carl is giving it up. More the shame that Thom Hartmann has not taken a similar path and relieved the airwaves of his vitriol and misinformation.

If people are throwing elbows, is there really anything wrong with that? Politics has gotten nasty. People have forgotten how to have civil conversations or how to persuade and befriend those they disagree with rather than persecute and belittle them. It's sad. Seems like a reasonable response is just not to engage at all anymore.

This story is a non-story! My son has had this teacher for 3 years and I wish he had her for the rest of his scholastic career. This project is par for the course for the teacher because it's creative and has students thinking about culture different ways to learn a subject.

I was impressed with Nicholas' comment but regret that he sounds defensive. Steve, you are missing the point that government's role is to mitigate the displacement effects of gentrification, granted, caused by population and economic pressures from outside the city, so that we can all benefit from increased density, not become disaffected, rootless citizens of our home town.

There is an option that would be a better long term solution. Move the Spanish immersion program (SIP) from its location at Ainsworth to a currently unused facility like east Sylvan. This will open up room for 300 students at Ainsworth. The overall PPS SIP is a great concept and espouses the goals of diversity, accessibility, and inclusion. However, the SIP at Ainsworth is the dirty little secret of the Westside. It does not meet any of the above goals. There is no diversity, access is difficult, and it is run like an exclusive private school, funded by taxpayer money. Schools overcrowded? No problem, SIP is capped at 26 students per class. Lack of budget for teachers? Not an issue, SIP has assistant teachers for every class! How is this even compatible with the PPS equity initiative? Moving the Ainsworth SIP will help meet its true goals, but there is strong resistance to this because it would inconvenience some privileged families that live in the mansions close to the school.

My son is a 7th Grader at Da Vinci and I am also in support of the school, the principal, teachers and staff and especially the energetic, funny and supportive teacher that you are blatantly disrespecting in this article. Her comments in the email were intended as humor, which anyone with a sense of humor would know, and I can only hope the person who "tipped" off WW of this "news-breaking" story could gain a sense of their own. This is "news"?! It has to be challenging enough as teachers to cut through the modern distractions to teach our children of today, especially with such varied and rabid opinions of parents (myself included). Do we also have to attack and harp on their attempts to energize and engage kids in fun, funny and interesting ways? Parents who would get so upset over a class project may want to consider home-schooling. We can't control all aspects of our children's education. This article is unnecessary. You should write an apology to this thoughtful teacher.

www.businessinsider.com/it-turns-out-that-smoking-marijuana-may-actually-make-you-a-better-driver-2011-12

Reefer madness lies, are just that lies, lies that have hurt our communities, our states our nations, our world,Those who adhere to this culture are hurting their communities, to the many benefits of cannabis. Mexico's recent supreme court, said it is a human right to use cannabis recreationally, and this is true, as cannabis realigns our thinking into a truer operating system, an example of this cannabis helping Veterans overcome PTSD. Using cannabis always, always, always has positive health benefits. The world is adopting a new culture based on truth, the old culture, based on lies designed to lead the sheep, will disappear ,as the light of truth shines brighter, The people of Oregon voted in cannabis, so it should be grown, and sold everywhere.

Were you around in 2007-08 when the bond measure was being debated? The zoo was repeatedly pitching the reserve to get people to support the bond, but the text did not go into the details. Tony Vechchio was the then-zoo director who went off to Florida as soon as the bond went to ballot, and the reserve was conveniently forgotten. If, as you say, the reserve was not in the bond measure text, perhaps you can explain why Metro wasted more than $100,000 in buying an option for the property in Roslyn lake? It's still unauthorized spending if you stick with the bond text, no?

So it's misspent funds. Get upset about that, not that they didn't do what was never part of the measure as passed.

What a great photo that is at the top of the story. Although at this time of year it seems so freezing cold!

Boy, if Carl can't handle Bernie Sanders supporters there's no hope for him against Trump supporters. Better to get while the gettin's good.

I'm not a conservative, but I am ashamed to be an Oregon taxpayer supporting this nonsense. Conservatives have it right this time - this is about so-called "white privilege", white guilt, white shaming. It's divisive and insensitive and takes advantage of a double standard that makes it okay to say "angry white men" but screams racism if you say "angry black men." No matter what kind of spin PCC tries to put on this one, it's still ugly and offensive.

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BJ, you make the same ad hominem attack all the time. I get the feeling that you don't talk to any Eastside home owners. BTW, the American working class has always depended on home ownership to have any shot at wealth creation. Those who oppose sfh are restricting wealth accumulation, so I could play your mind-reading game and suggest that you want to grow the ranks of disempowered, carless renters so that the tech bros can do whatever they want. Or, we could stop using perjorative terms like tech bro & nimby and listen to each other. But I don't see that happening.

Not a good idea, considering that the elephants at the zoo are Asian elephants.

Mr. Novick: your policies of taller, more expensive apartments, coupled with the council's unwillingness to deal with the scourge of AirBnBs, has contributed to income inequality. Your transit policy- 19th century technology like streetcars- is leading to 18th century results. I find it interesting how nicely your particular approach to climate change lines up with the interests of builders, aka the big money in this town. Portland is a very unhappy place right now, and I am so happy to be moving just outside city limits. Of course I am commuting in via car, because Portland is actually an awful place to ride these days. Your attempts to push us into apartments and busses is easy to sabotage, which is why Canby is turning into a bedroom suburb for Portland. You are a city council member, not someone charged with telling us how to live and move.

Oh gross. Those are clearly nooses, not "ropes used to move furniture". Give me a break.

The design of these is great. Looking forward to next week's. :)

First, there were no X-Files seasons after Season Five. Fingers-in-my-ears, la la la la la. Second, "Beyond the Sea" was SO the best standalone episode of the first season!

I agree!

Star Wars has a wow factor that Star Trek doesn't match even though I'm a larger Trek fan

Star Wars is the best!

Just the look & feel do it for me. Fake plastic vs. Grungy goodness.

What is Star Wars? And this Star Trek you speak of?

Star Trek will always win this debate, because Tribbles.

You're an idiot.

This is kind of pointless. Just reject anything that defends Star Trek and you’re golden.

Perhaps someone born less recently than I has already pointed out that Star Wars debuted in 1977, not 1983. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars

No, I think 1983 is the correct debut year. Think about it, Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace was released in 1977. So the first Star Wars, Episode 4: A New Hope chronologically would have had to come after.

I think you need more coffee, friend.

Perhaps!

I absolutely agree. Star Wars destroys Star Trek.

Why does everything have to be about destruction, man? Like, building is a beautiful thing, you know? Man.

This is straigtup SJW bullllshit!!!! :(

This article is like a fine scotch.

I wonder how one can post an actual image? Markdown?